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dennislkaufman

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TOM CLAIMS HIS SUSPECT "SAM" HAS BEEN CLEARED BY DNA, THIS IS WHAT MR. VOIGT HAD TO SAY......

I don't have detail other than the fact that no match was made.

Sam now belongs in the same category as Arthur Leigh Allen, Jack Tarrance, Mr. X, Charles Clifton Collins, and every other suspect whose DNA was compared to suspected Zodiac DNA with no match.

He was an amazing suspect, but I now must assume Sam is not the Zodiac.

I'm thankful for all of the help I received and admire the work of the California Department Of Justice.
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I am sure you wouldn't want to get into any details about this Tom, it is a bunch of bull! You cannot submit things to the Department of Justice unless you are law enforcement, and you are not! I cannot believe some people are actually gullible enough to believe this crap!

Maybe you can give us some details as to when, and by whom, Jack was eliminated by DNA, or is this just some more of your bull?

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This Tom guy sure doesn't research much when it comes to Jack or basic law enforcement procedure, does he?


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Dennis can you please outline in detail what samples of Jack DNA have or are being tested. Are there actual Jack DNA samples in the possession of SFPD, FBI, any other PD and/or agency?
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i'm assuming that the tom voigt in question is the arrogant prick(forgive me) who runs another popular zodiac site. i have several friends and colleagues who work in the law enforcement community and according to a reliable source, tom's favorite suspect, "sam", was eliminated months ago by a private detective/investigator,supposedly hired by tom himself. i guess that tom refused to accept the findings of the investigator and even tried to discredit this p-i in his chat room. ironically, tom's girlfriend(wife?) and others affiliated with tom's site, sided with the p-i and it caused a big rift within tom's little groupies. the dna evidence only bolstered the proof provided by the p-i. i guess tom is having a hard time these days ;-)
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Meesha, If the PI that Tom hired is Toney McGee, and used to post on Tom's message board with the user name "Exiled", then I wouldn't trust him either. This PI claimed I had an extensive criminal history, and I have no criminal history at all!
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dennis, i'm not sure what the p-i's name is. what i do know is that he(the p-i) is a former military guy who works primarily as a bounty hunter. what i was told, is that he provided tom voigt with pertinent info that conclusively proved that "sam" could not have been the guy. i work with a lot of law enforcement types who know this p-i personally and have nothing but the highest regard for him. now you have me curious, i will find out if its the guy who you named. if it is him, why did he say that you had a criminal record? that is strange. i was also told that he dug up all kinds of dirt on tom voigt and that he was planning on exposing tom's research community as a bunch of crack-pots and con artists. whats the old saying?, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", it just sounds like the guy(p-i) see's voigt for what he really is.... kinda like you do. i will try to get his name.


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Meesha, when Voigt's groupies (including Toney McGee, with whom I have spoken on the phone) try to discredit Dennis, they resort to lies and name-calling. Why? Because, for the most part, they're juvenile and immature. And no matter how hard they try, they simply cannot prove Dennis wrong.
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Well guys I can honestly say that this case is so starved for some concrete evidence. It doesn't really matter if your from Tom's camp or from Dennis's, neither side can produce a single piece of concrete evidence linking any suspect to the Zodiac crimes. Where is the bloody knife or the smoking gun? Heaven knows I would luv Dennis's story to pan out and Jack be Zodiac, simply because I think it would make for such an amazing story and eventually movie, on the flip side God knows Tom and I have had our disagreements, he's called me almost every name under the sun and banned me from his site, twice, but honestly his site is the best thing we all have going to research info on Zodiac, but even Tom and his associates are unable to produce concrete evidence to support any of the suspects. Until that piece of evidence is produced what do we have, nothing.


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I agree, Diamond D. This case IS starved for some concrete evidence. The fact that it happened so long ago, and that the evidence recovered was so mismanaged, certainly makes it harder. I have to tell you, though, I really feel that Dennis is going to provide us with the evidence... and SOON. I can feel it in my bones. It's just around the corner.
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JoAnne you have no idea how I hope your right.
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I worked with DNA for many years. In reading over the information about this case, there is so little physical evidence and absolutely no DNA or fingerprint evidence that can link any suspect to Zodiac. No provable DNA or fingerprint evidence exists known to be that of Zodiac. We have the letters and we have the boot print. That's pretty much it. The watch proves nothing really. Any DNA from any scene is worthless since it can't be established how it came to be there. There is no chain of custody of such possible evidence.

Having said that, IF any of the suspects did have their DNA or fingerprints attached to any of the crime scenes then it would be up to the suspect to offer a plausible reason what they were doing there. Absent that they got a problem but it doesn't, in and of itself establish provable guilt.

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Someone else could have mailed the letter for Zodiac...

This constitutes doubt as to accuracy of SFPD'S DNA results...

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He could have obtained spittle off the sidewalk and saved it in his refrigerator to be used to moisten the envelopes. He could also have lifted fingerprints off of glasses and such to apply to the stamps and other scenes. He was a chemist was he not? A near genius as I recall. I'm sure he had a devious mind.

It is interesting that both had a somewhat similar background. It is not altogether impossible that they knew one another. Nothing can be ruled out because we know so little provable fact.

I want to repeat again. The DNA evidence is worthless because no provable DNA or fingerprints exist of Zodiac. We only have the size 10.5 boot print and the 21 letters or so that he mailed in. He also mailed in two anonymous letters to the editor of the Chronicle. I guess that is 23 altogether although I stand to be corrected.

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Mule, you're right. I would not put much stock into the DNA for the same reasons that you mention. It is also strange the way the SFPD has chosen to handle the evidence in this case including the DNA. I just get the feeling that the made the major F-ups in the way they handled things and are embarrassed to have their incompetence exposed.
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