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margie11

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So SC - when you say "hypocritical gum smackin dribble"...that is not people bashing?? got it...man this board is confusing! I thought that Dennis and our dear moderator DD were "in control of all things"....I am so confused!
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Originally Posted by margie11
So SC - when you say "hypocritical gum smackin dribble"...that is not people bashing?? got it...man this board is confusing! I thought that Dennis and our dear moderator DD were "in control of all things"....I am so confused!


Telling the truth is never bashing, it's when it is confused with opinion that it becomes bashing!

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I don't pretend to be in charge. Just trying to keep the thread on topic. Nothing stopping Kat starting a new thread to discuss the pictures.

But this thread. There won't be an ending. If anything comes out this week it will be an attack on TV and nothing to do with the case. I don't care for TV but he did not alter the letters. The scan quality twinned with the time difference between making the high and low res scans results in some slight differences. Nothing more and bot a conspiracy.

None of your idiot theories have any official backing and whatever trash is announced this week won't either. You are a waste of everyones time
margie11

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i tried to bite my tongue on your comment SC...told you I am not one of the angry mean ones here...but....you have a funny way of saying the truth that makes it sound EXACTLY like you are bashing someone.

I really hope that the "news" that we have all been waiting for is more than just "Hey - someone may have altered the Z letters"....because that, at this point, IS POINTLESS AND WORTHLESS......

And THAT'S how you tell the TRUTH without bashing someone!
margie11

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ukzodiac...that's the way to do it right there! Now...can we all (or at least the ones that have valid important theories) go to another thread and discuss something in regard to the ZODIAC/JACK case????? This thread is a pile and I think that we have all had enough of the TV bashing for a lifetime!
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You should at least compare apples to apples if you are going to accuse someone of fraud and altering letters. The scans you compared to make your assertions are completely different. The high res scans were (presumably) provided to TV by LE and are direct scans of the letters. The scans from 2001 you use to prove your point are scans of the pages in RG book. You have no idea of the quality of the scans that were used by Graysmith and/or his publisher that were included in the book.

The quality of the scans is whats different, that can very easily be explained away.
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To do a proper handwriting analysis, the original documents should be used. It's an inexact science to say the least, especially when one is using copies of copies of copies umpteen times over. TV is not responsible for providing any kind of documentation -- that should be done by law enforcement. He is not the keeper of ANY original documents that were used in the case.

I don't understand why there is such fear and hatred of TV on this board. He used to think ALA was the one, then when that was disproved, he dropped that theory. I'm not sticking up for him, but instead am looking at this logically with a legal mind.

So what if TV doesn't think JT is the Zodiac? What difference does that make? TV can't change facts that have been around for 40 years.

There is no conspiracy here, at least from what I've read on this MB.

How long does DNA testing take? What is the status of the JT case? Is this really the end?

Avery J
drgonzo

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Sweetcheeks said:

He has sent a few communications to TV in 2002 range sometime. You can find these letters on his site.

Can you provide us a link to the letters you are referring to please?
margie11

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AveryJ and gonzo...I think that we are all getting on the same page here...there is no conspiracy with the letters. ORIGINALS need to be compared to originals in order to get any actual/factual results at all. If anyone did alter anything on purpose...the purpose was to post them to a website so they could be easily viewed or fit into a particular space on the website. I bet if you look at all the other Z sites you will find the same sort of "alterations" on each site.

This is not the end...I would hope we can make this a new beginning of searching for REAL Z/Jack connections....without all this other poop crapping up the MB!

Anyone with me?
dennislkaufman

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Margie the letters have been altered, as well as other things that have been covered up. Zodiac may have been arrested if certain things had not been covered up, and the victims families could have gotten closier much sooner. These alterations of evidence is a serious thing and is also criminal. There are many more things that were covered up, and my guess is the reason they were covered up is because they knew who Jack was.
margie11

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dennis...i can get on board with alterations being made...years ago. what i cant get on board with is the talk that TV did it himself so that he could be top dog in the suspect arena. that is all i am saying here. he altered them for his own personal use for posting to his website in my opinion. that does not seem to be the opinion that is being put forth on this board...
AveryJ

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TV's website is for entertainment use only. It is not representative of any law enforcement website nor is it condoned by any law enforcement agency. TV cannot alter "evidence" that is in police custody!! He has those document copies because they are in the public domain and TV is an avid Zodiac fan of many years.

You are giving TV way too much credit here. Altering evidence? Please.

Let's get back to solving the case with real evidence. There's plenty out there!

AJ
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No one is saying Tom Voigt altered them himself, the fact is they were altered. The alterations can be found on Voigt's site and in Graysmith's books. Jack left behind his normal style of the lower case "a" in some of the zodiac communications, and these have all been removed this we know. As to who is responsible, that is being investigated. That is what we know at this point.
margie11

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thank you for the clarification of this Dennis! I mean that! like i said - i can get on board with alterations...i can get on board that these are the ones that TV had access to and posted them... i think that we can all get on board with that! not to speak for everyone...but it's nice to know that this didnt all start to catch TV at something...that is what i meant by the alterations being pointless and worthless..if it was all to say TV did it for some ulterior motive so that Jack would not be caught..then that would be pointless. thanks again!
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Kat, this is not the correct thread for talking about your pictures. We are all waiting for the FBI or law enforcement confirmation of sweetcheeks latest disaster theory. But don't mock SC. I've heard she can almost always figure out the killer on Murder She Wrote so is a more than qualified expert on these things.


I believe it's Catseye, and anything that is added positively to this board can be posted pretty much wherever they like. Who put you in charge? People bashing however is not tolerated on any thread. No reason to be a jerk to people. We have names for people like you.

Cool your jets and focus on the evidence. I dare you to give all these people one good reason why my theory is crap and let me defend that, not just your hypocritical gum smackin dribble.
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JCloser I know nothing about Bill Armstrong, I thought you were reffering to the email that Nanette Barto recieved from someone inside the SFPD. There my very well be a conspirecy involving the SFPD, and that is why I made that comment to you.

Catseye, if you have a conspiracy theory please start a new thread for that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Just wondering who is in charge of the board?.....BruYoc

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