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margie11

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Link and Profiler...I second and third your statements and would like to shout out an amen to you both! When I got so frustrated re-reading that entire thread last night - that was the reason!! Because it seems that it was just another BASH TV day here on the board!! I (as I think we ALL do) understand that if someone...anyone...altered the letters because they knew the identity of the Z and were trying to keep that from the public that would be HUGE!!!! GIGANTIC even!!! But if we are to be reasonable about this...TV has actually put another suspect ON TOP of the list...this GYKE guy...over ALA his long time fav! People STILL go to him for the newest breaking news...the pics that he has...his website IS a great place to go for alot of stuff on Z...so what would he really be losing here? His suspect may not "win"...but I am more than sure if Jack is Z that they will still be calling TV for info too..even though his suspect didnt "win"...he still put up a pretty good fight!

I hope too that this breaking news is not just that the letters are altered. That would BLOW! But c'mon guys...then we can get back to really digging our heals in again with the police reports and trying to tie all this together!!! Whether Jack is the Z...one of the Z's or just another serial killer that was hidden in plain site for years...Dennis is onto something big here...and we can all get back to the task at hand...And who knows....maybe all the crudsticks that flooded this board will get the heck out of here and leave us to solving the Jack mystery!!!

As George Lopez would say "We got this!!!!"
catseye

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thrib and all who have critiqued me on Armstrong & Toschi being real detectives or not. The picture seen at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2007/03/01/MNG4BODB1K1.DTL is Stines clothing, supposed to be when piece of bloody shirt was sent to the paper. There's another picture found at Zodiac Pages from a different angle and ZodiacKillerTruth.com link people here asked me to see is "forbidden", not accessible. These 2 photos, one of them AP as noted at sfgate.com, actually help Dennis in his claims. Can't access the Armstrong & Toschi Stine clothing pics? google the main search words for the images.

As kids, the teachers used to have us play paper games called: "What's Wrong With This Picture?" These 2 pictures, say it all. The Homicide Detectives aren't wearing gloves, any protective gear, no badges, handling evidence barehanded. In the 2nd picture seen at Zodiac Pages, there are gloves unused near other tables and Bill Armstrong is seen with unprotected hand on the table, Toschi still barehanded with evidence. Gloves were worn to protect from bacteria, not to mention protect evidence from contamination. I stand by my claim that these TWO, not only Bill Armstrong are not real Homicide Detectives and if they are, they are the most slipshod ones in the world. I won't be posting for awhile but I will be reading time to time, until the news breaks.

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margie11

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catseye...all I will say to this is have you ever seen the television show that ran for one season called "Life on Mars"?? Its about homicide detectives in the 70's...The tactics that they would use while questioning suspects would be unheard of today!!! They would beat the crap out of people and none of the other detectives would say a word! They would pick up a gun with no gloves...and throw it in the back of their police car and take it to the station to be printed. They would smoke in the autopsy room...etc, etc, etc.... When people got 'wise' that this is not really condusive to solving crimes...they starting putting policies and procedures in place to insure that evidence was not lost through the mishandling of evidence.

So...to say that Toshi and Armstrong were not real homicide detectives is a bit ludicrous and naive! they would NOT have been allowed near a police station by todays standards....but back then - they might have been considered the best!!!

Just saying...
Rocker

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Margie11,
Did you ever get to Jack's old place in Texas ? You were going to drive by sometime. Dennis Has anything been done about finding the glass jar with some kind of ID's in them?

Rocker
margie11

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Hey Rocker! Yes I drove by...sort of..they put up a new airport in the area and the neighborhood has changed alot. Also the street is split into...how do I describe it...you drive down "rocker" street for instance...the street dead ends...then you have to turn right and then left again to get back on "rocker" street. I did drive down both...now having said that...Dennis didnt have an exact address for me..and the lot that I felt was the correct one had a brand new house on it.

So...yes and no to your question. I do not feel completely satisfied that I was at the exact right place.

Dennis...I have NO job right now...so if you can give me an exact address..I am MORE than happy to look and find the exact right place and take pics!!!!

Sweetcheeks

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Profiler, I appreciate your concern and you leeriness of me! Believe it or not! You would be a get me on if you just sucked it all down and said nothing. I appreciate this in a person because if you ask Dennis he will tell you that I didn't believe a word he was saying and made him prove to me on everything that what he tells me is being backed up by the proper sources.

What I do not care for is the context in which you scoop what your throwing? All your concerns could be merely posted as a question and not come across confrontational.

My techniques got the job done, yes I agree coming to this message board is not something a typical document examiner would do. This is not a typical case and the evidence turned out to be anything but typical. But, most document examiners won't put 1/10th the effort I did in securing my opinion! I guarantee this! :)

As for my education, what would you like to know? I promised to be an open book.

My experience includes almost a 100 lectures, several textbooks from well known document examiners, hands on peer review on over 100 cases I have rendered my opinion on, 2 year apprenticeship that I certify from in July 2009, I have testified in Superior Courts 2 times, both prevailing a plaintiff and a defendant in seperate cases, 1 deposition for a Probate Trial upcoming, I have handled 57 of my own personal cases under my business name and have not had any disagreement on my findings from my Mentor. 1 of the Trial testimonies was as a rebuttal witness against 27 year investigating document examiner on this very case we seek the truth in now. So, if in some way my expertise was displayed well enough for the Judge in Superior Court to find for the favor of the defendant, I think it should hold some creditbility here. Is that too much to ask?

Now motives? At first I really didn't think I would find anything, so I said I'd do it with no charge, and surely never thought I would get myself this wrapped up in something this hard for free! So that is the beginning, I didn't believe Dennis was telling the truth, so it was an easy exam right? Not hardly, when I did take the time to look at it I was flabber ghasted, for a lack of better words, at what I was finding. Not knowing what was being done to me, right before my eyes. LOL After the work invested I couldn't believe the lack of response I was receiving.
I hate to be told I'm wrong when I know I'm right, call it an ego thing, but I don't become assertive unless I believe deep down in my heart what I am saying is true. This left me with no choice, but to buck the entire system that had previously been my aspiration in life. "Justice" that is. No lies, no bull, the handwriting never lies and the truth always prevails. I am determined at this point to make this happen. This is why I have gone to the lengths that I have, not for Dennis, not for you guys, not for anyone other than the Justice of this matter and the families involved.

I laughed at your last statement because most of all I do want to cram it down every naysayer's throat that I was right! That is the other side of that ego thing. I am a Taurus and I am that Bull headed and honest. I will tell everyone what I think once the words are spoken and Jack is named the Zodiac. :)

I appreciate your time to explain yourself. Thank You!

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justadude

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Quote:
Originally Posted by catseye
thrib and all who have critiqued me on Armstrong & Toschi being real detectives or not. The picture seen at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2007/03/01/MNG4BODB1K1.DTL is Stines clothing, supposed to be when piece of bloody shirt was sent to the paper. There's another picture found at Zodiac Pages from a different angle and ZodiacKillerTruth.com link people here asked me to see is "forbidden", not accessible. These 2 photos, one of them AP as noted at sfgate.com, actually help Dennis in his claims. Can't access the Armstrong & Toschi Stine clothing pics? google the main search words for the images.

As kids, the teachers used to have us play paper games called: "What's Wrong With This Picture?" These 2 pictures, say it all. The Homicide Detectives aren't wearing gloves, any protective gear, no badges, handling evidence barehanded. In the 2nd picture seen at Zodiac Pages, there are gloves unused near other tables and Bill Armstrong is seen with unprotected hand on the table, Toschi still barehanded with evidence. Gloves were worn to protect from bacteria, not to mention protect evidence from contamination. I stand by my claim that these TWO, not only Bill Armstrong are not real Homicide Detectives and if they are, they are the most slipshod ones in the world. I won't be posting for awhile but I will be reading time to time, until the news breaks.



Why do you continue to say it is Stine's clothing? They are pants. They have belt loops on them. You can see the back pocket.
margie11

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Rocker....I knew that I had seen a copy before of Jacks ham radio license here before...the only "address" that I had to go on here was Route 1, Box 46A, Del Valle, Texas 78617. If anyone knows how to convert this into an actual address - I will make it a point to go out there this weekend. Ex: My father used to have a ROute/Box type address in the small town that he lives in near Austin...and they have now given the road a name and he has his own actual address...like 434 Bobby Lane. When they built the new airport in Del Valle (actually considered more a part of AUstin now) they gave names and numbers to streets instead of the rural route/box thing. I need a better address!

Dennis - I know that you gave me the name of the street before...would you happen to have a better address now with a number??
Sweetcheeks

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hey sweetcheeks...can you see any kind of change in the letters as they progress in time that would suggest any mental deterioration or so forth...I do not know if you examine this sort of thing or not?


I did some research on mental disorders just figuring that the Zodiac had to be manic as suggested by Pascoe, some of the letters were written immediately after the murders and others sometime after. After the research I had determined that psychosis was a better mental match if any. Manic depression studies showed that the writing increased in size during these states, whereas psychosis studies showed a child like state of writing, that would include text book letter formations and spelling or grammatical errors. Also, that the normal lines of letters would cross. Kinda of like the 4 stroke (n) in my clip art where it looks like it is turned on it's side. This seemed to be more fitting. Psychosis can be induced by several things and does not necessarily mean that you are in this state permanently. The study describes what is an onset of psychotic episodes and then writing is obtained. They write normal when the brain is functioning normal.

He has sent a few communications to TV in 2002 range sometime. You can find these letters on his site. His writing if anything was just as well with no signs of mental deterioration at all. In fact, it is beautiful for a typical man's writing. Lots of his letter formations are actually natural ones made to look as if he was disguising by using miss matching different styles of his writing together in one Zodiac communication. This is a sign of an intelligent man, not a crazy or mentally ill one. His states must have been momentary or confined to times, and then back to every day life.

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ukzodiac

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Kat, this is not the correct thread for talking about your pictures. We are all waiting for the FBI or law enforcement confirmation of sweetcheeks latest disaster theory. But don't mock SC. I've heard she can almost always figure out the killer on Murder She Wrote so is a more than qualified expert on these things.
margie11

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hey justadude...i think that they continually say 'clothing' just because that is what the picture caption says. I think that we all know that they were pants....it seems like just phrasing used from the pic to me. :) nice to meet you man...i mean dude!
margie11

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cant remember if i posted this before...i stayed up til midnight last night on this MB and dang it i was tired. I noticed something....probably means NOTHING...but there are NO Z letters mailed in September. See....it means nothing...but I have OCD so I had to post it! :)
justadude

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Quote:
Originally Posted by margie11
hey justadude...i think that they continually say 'clothing' just because that is what the picture caption says. I think that we all know that they were pants....it seems like just phrasing used from the pic to me. :) nice to meet you man...i mean dude!



Nice to meet you as well. He keeps saying they are Stine's clothes. Even if Stine dressed like a convict, they have no blood on them.
Sweetcheeks

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Kat, this is not the correct thread for talking about your pictures. We are all waiting for the FBI or law enforcement confirmation of sweetcheeks latest disaster theory. But don't mock SC. I've heard she can almost always figure out the killer on Murder She Wrote so is a more than qualified expert on these things.


I believe it's Catseye, and anything that is added positively to this board can be posted pretty much wherever they like. Who put you in charge? People bashing however is not tolerated on any thread. No reason to be a jerk to people. We have names for people like you.

Cool your jets and focus on the evidence. I dare you to give all these people one good reason why my theory is crap and let me defend that, not just your hypocritical gum smackin dribble.

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Sweetcheeks

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cant remember if i posted this before...i stayed up til midnight last night on this MB and dang it i was tired. I noticed something....probably means NOTHING...but there are NO Z letters mailed in September. See....it means nothing...but I have OCD so I had to post it! :)


LOL That's great, I needed that chuckle! :)

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