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Dennis, was there any indication that Jack was abused as a child? Did he ever talk to you, your mom, or anyone else about it? From what I've read, childhood abuse may not be the sole excuse for serial killers, but it is an undeniable factor in their backgrounds.

On a sort of related topic -- and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to -- did Jack abuse YOU as a child? My alcoholic father abused me verbally, and the thought of those words (even all these years later) still hurts enough to cause tears in my eyes.

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Of all the known Zodiac killings, on those specific dates, did Jack ever come home with any sign that he might have been up to something unsavory.
By signs I mean fresh open wounds on his person, fresh blood on his clothing, guns or knives being taken out of his car, a black hooded outfit in the house, anything like those.
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Diamond D, when my mother met Jack in South Lake Tahoe in 1970, it was after the known Zodiac murders had taken place. I did find a photo of Jack that was taken in 1946, in Lubbock Texas, it looked like it had been covered in blood at some point in time. Here is the photo....

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That photo is pretty creepy, actually you can have that analyzed to see if it is actually blood and if the blood belongs to any of the victims, case closed if it does
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Dennis what about marks on Jack himself any ever raw fresh scratch marks on his face neck arms hands, or any blood stains on any of his clothing ever, anything like this on his person ever?


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Following up to my question about Jack possibly being abused as a child... would you please tell us about "pay day", Dennis, and how you think that concept might have played out in Jack's killings?
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Jack mentioned that payday was on Saturday...
Anything and everything that possibly went awry or got fouled up on the farm, at school, etc... (also being as Jack was the eldest one of the four surviving children in his family), whether accident or intentional, Jack was "spanked" for it each and every Saturday.

One can imagine the attitude that would majest from this kind of learned conditioning! Jack probably reached the point of feeling that he'd be whooped for it anyway, so What about that tractor incident, anyways?

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The Saturday is payday thing could be substantial except that the killing were not all on Saturday. They where either wounded or killed on a Fri, Sat, or Mon.


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Diamond D, the point that Val and I are trying to make here is not that the day of his whippings coincides with the days of the Zodiac attacks. The point is that Jack was abused. From what Dennis has told me, Jack was not just spanked... he was BEATEN. And this took place on a weekly basis whether he had "misbehaved" or not. As Val points out, what kind of effect would this abuse have had upon Jack's young psyche?
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Exactly, JoAnne! The analogy I mentioned above between
Jack's beatings : Zodiac's killings
was to illustrate the contributing effects in regards to the "making of a monster"...

The finite days that these events occurred on are not a perfect fit, if one was to try to link Jack to Zodiac in that respect; however, the geographical locations where the attacks occurred certainly do line up...

As far as Jack's places of business/interest/residence/camping spots, the presence of Jack during the same time-period does correlate with that of Zodiac's known presence in these "shared stomping grounds..."

For instance, the Lake Tahoe postcard that was mailed by Zodiac from Pleasanton on March 22nd, 1971, compellingly links the two when one sees that Jack was:

1. Living in Lake Tahoe at the time...


2. Attending court in Santa Clara County, (which is just a tad past Pleasanton). One going to Santa Clara County courthouse from South Lake Tahoe would travel through Pleasanton to reach Santa Clara. For those not familiar with California geography, there really is not any other practical route if one wanted to reach their destination in a "timely" manner...

3. Keeping a court document from so long ago that eerily shows that it was possible for Jack to mail the postcard from Pleasanton, especially since that same day he appeared in court...


Attached are copies of Zodiac's postcard and the court document that reflects the date which Jack was calendared/sentenced on for those who are interested...

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Please know that these are second generation copies, and so the clarity is not as it should be...as these images are from my copy of Dennis's book.

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Here are the stats from a recent study for childhood abuse among serial killers;

Fifty serial killers who murdered for the primary goal of attaining sexual gratification,
Termed lust killers, were studied to determine the prevalence of childhood abuse. Information Regarding the childhood abuse sustained by each killer was obtained primarily from Biographical books, newspaper articles, and online sites. Abuse was categorized into Physical abuse, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, and neglect and was then compared to societal norms from 2001. Abuse of all types excluding neglect was significantly higher in the serial killer population. For serial killers, the prevalence of physical abuse was 36%; Sexual abuse was 26%; and psychological abuse was 50%. Neglect was equally prevalent in the serial killer (18%) and societal norm populations.
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Dennis, after you taped your phone conversations with Jack (the ones that you have on the site as Quick Time audio files)did you ever meet with him again to discuss his life as the Zodiac? In your audio files, you tell him that you know he is the Zodiac, but Jack never actually admits to it directly. However, it is amazing to me that HE NEVER DENIES IT! My question is this: did you ever speak with him again in person or over the phone and did he ever directly admit to you that he was the Zodiac. I don't know Jack so I could also understand that if he was mentally ill, maybe he didn't deny your accusations because he is simply not all together there. I look forward to your response!

PS: Thanks so much Dennis, I really love your site and the fact that we can post ideas without being attacked. This is really a great site!

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