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DiamondD

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Is there a record on file in some state of Jack's fingerprints. If he had run-ins with the law previously, there must be a print card somewhere.


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There is evidence that Jack was concerned about this very possibility, Diamond D. Dennis, will you tell us about it... and post the photo that proves it?
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Ok if there are prints on file then is it not possible under the freedom of information to obtain those prints along with the FBI prints of Zodiac and hire a third party to do a comparison?
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Diamond D, SGT Steve Brown, from the Sonoma County Sheriff's Dept. found Jack's prints in his military records, and when he wanted to have them compared to the prints taken from Stines cab, the SFPD refused to cooperate. Jack removed his fingerprints around 1972, possibly 1973, it loooks like he dipped them in some type of acid. I remember when Jack came home with his hands all wrapped up, he said that he had burned them when he opened up a hot radiator cap. Several years later I heard Jack tell someone the burns on his hands were from radiation while working at G.E. Here is a photo of Jack's that clearly shows one of his hands....

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Do you think it would be worthwhile to hire a private dic to get some of this information and testing done?
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Dennis, Matt Meredith has sent three Zodiac envelopes to a state DNA lab for testing, have you been intouch with him? Once he has the results he can compare Jacks.


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Jack's radiator story was obviously a lie. There is a line of demarcation above which there is no damage at all and beneath which the damage begins. The line is just above Jack's watch, and it is perfectly smooth. If the damage to his hands had been caused by a radiator spraying hot liquid, the damage would not have occurred with a smooth edge. The edge would be ragged. The fact that Jack lied about how the injury occurred speaks volumes. Why would he have lied? Because he asked himself the same question that you're asking, Diamond D: did he slip up and leave his prints at the scene of the crime? Dipping his hands in acid would have caused the smooth line that's visible in the photo.
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I'm thinking that at some point before Jack dipped his fingers in acid he had his fingerprints taken, if this is true then somewhere in some file cabinet is a fingerprint card of Jack, that card must be found and compared to FBI Zodiac prints. Who can findout if Jacks fingerprint card exists?


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Jack's hands are damaged. We can see that in the photo. Jack gave two explanations for the damage: a.) that hot radiator liquid sprayed on them and b.) that they were damaged by radiation at GE. These were both lies, as evidenced by the smooth line of demarcation noted in the photo. Obviously, Jack must have known that his fingerprints were on file with the military and with the police during his run-ins with the law. Plus, the Zodiac wore fingertip guards so as not to leave any prints. So why would Jack have intentionally damaged his hands? I think I know the answer. He wasn't worried about his FINGERprints. He was worried about his PALMprints. This is why he stuck his hands in acid up to his wrists instead of just the fingertips. Prior to Jack's dipping his hands in acid, Arthur Leigh Allen had been questioned by the police -- and they took not only Allen's fingerprints, but his PALMprints as well. What would Jack's thought process be after the news report about the police taking Allen's palmprints? Well, he didn't have to worry about his palmprints being on file with the military or with the police -- they only had fingerprints. The only way the police would be able to match Zodiac's palmprint to Jack's would be to do exactly what they had done to Allen -- get an impression of his palm. There was one way to prevent this from happening. Thus the acid-dipping incident. I have gone over this again and again in my mind. I cannot think of any other reason why this man would have gone through the painful process of sticking his hands -- up to his wrists -- in acid.
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Joanne do you know what year approximately Jack did that to his hands?


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Diamond D, according to Dennis' post on 11/03/07, Dennis recalls that it was around 1972 or 1973.

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Jack removed his fingerprints around 1972, possibly 1973...
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OK now is anyone aware of between 1970 and mid 1972 of Jack ever indicating or talking about himself consulting a lawyer?

Also, is there any reason why Jack would be in possession of a merchant marine id card?


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This is news to me, Diamond D. Do you have info to that effect?
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I just realized I had made a mistake of when Jack had burned his hands, I originally thought it was around 1972 or 1973, however I talked to a relative today who was living with us at the time when Jack had burnt his hands, and it was in 1975. I went through some old photo's and it was in 1975, I apologize.
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Dennis did Jack ever have anything to do with the merchant marines or did he know someone who did?
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