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dennislkaufman

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I would like to welcome my younger sister Mary (Gr8fulMom) to the message board.


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Hi Mary, and welcome to the board! We are all so excited to have you here! What do you think about the theory that Jack was the Zodiac?
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Thank you for the kind welcome. This is what I already posted, so I'm repeating myself. But here are my thoughts.

I have avoided most of this because it is so overwhelming and emotional for me. Can you imagine your brother saying he believes your Dad is a murderer? I thought he was nuts! My husband never doubted him, and has been telling me for years to stop being so closed minded. My husband was very close to my Dad, and he made many comments to my husband that left him wondering. This is so painful for me to read about and accept, that I chose to ignore it, and my brother as well. I am slowly trying to look at it with an open mind. No doubt my brother has some amazing circumstantial evidence, and I know I’d be a fool to not step back and take a look. I am still confused as to why I actually loved my Dad, and yet a part of me once held sheer hatred for him? He was extremely abusive, but for some reason ( I believe the sake of my Mom, and little brother) I chose to forgive him, and allow him to be a part of my life, and Grandpa to my kids. He lived with me for several years the latter part of his life. I am still trying to comprehend how this could be the same man! Yet when I watched the "trailer" clip I broke down crying. Seeing him morph into my Dad, then the "Monster" was unreal, yet exactly how I was able to cope with my hatred for him, seeing him as two different people. Maybe he was?
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Hello Gr8fulMoM, welcome to the board. I know that this must be painful for you, nobody wants to think this of their Mom or Dad. I really look forward to speaking with you and Dennis more. I'm at work so I can't really hang out, but I just wanted to say hello and thank you for sharing your experience with all of us.

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Mary, I can't begin to imagine how hard this must be for you. Even though he was abusive, he was still your dad and I know that you loved him.

Perhaps we should take this opportunity to clarify the family tree. From what I understand, Nora (your mom) had three children: you, Mary (the baby); Geneva (the middle child); and Dennis (the oldest). These children were from a previous marriage. Then Jack and Nora got married and had a child together (Charles). Jack already had a son from a previous marriage -- Denny, who was grown and off on his own by the time Jack and Nora got married. Do I have this right, Mary?
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Yes, wow you know a lot about us. I was the youngest, only 3 years old when my Mom married my Dad, so I knew no other Dad. I actually met my biological father when I was 11, but Jack was who I called Dad. He was in my life as far back as my memory goes. And Yes, they had Charles in 1978 when I was 10. Also Jack had 4 children from his first marriage, Lana, Gail, Denny, and Barry. They range by age in that order. Barry died at the age of 28. The other 3 are still alive and live in Northern Ca. None of them spoke to their Dad for years before his death. He lived up here with me in is last years and Charles and I took care of him until he passed.
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I wanted to welcome you to the board too. I know it must have taken a lot of courage to come to the board to discuss this "out loud" so to speak...Whether he is the Z or not...we might never know...but my favorite saying is "The truth shall set you free"...


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Mary, you stated that none of Jack's children by his first marriage spoke to Jack for years before his death. Do you know why?

Also, if I (or anyone on this board) ask a question that you feel is out of line... or if you're just not comfortable answering... I'm sure we all certainly understand!
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Yes, I would understand. I try to place myself in your shoes, you have a lot of courage. We are all very thankful for anything that you would like to share.
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Sister Mary welcome, don't worry about your conflicted feelings about this case, we all realize how crazy it is to think you possibly have a relative to be the most mysterious serial killer of our time. Relax, post what you can and leave th erest up to us. Ok now on to biz, Mary the last years Jack was alive he may have given hints as to his alter ego(Zodiac). In any of your conversations did he ever elude or hint at any situation that has been spoke about on this board? Are you in any possessions of Jack's that appear to be Zodiac related, either in the form of an artifact or a written work? Again Mary welcome and thank you
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Thank you DiamondD and JCloser for the warm welcome. As for JoAnne's question about why his kids didn't talk to him, to be completely honest I really never figured that out. One of his grandkids called me because they heard he had passed away and I confirmed he did and she said thanks and hung up. None of his kids have ever contacted me and they know how to. It seems they just didn't care. They seemed to have had a deep anger towards him, as I once did. Maybe they just couldn't forgive him. He was a violent and abusive man as long as I knew him. I assume he was toward them as well.

As for your question DiamondD, in his last years he never said anything to me directly. I know he has made mention very occasionally about his dark past. My husband was traveling to Arizona from Texas with him and on the long drive he said some things out of the blue that left my husband with many questions and wonder why he said it. Out of nowhere he looked at Rick and said "you know Rick, If you really knew who I was, You would hate me and have nothing to do with me" My husband was confused and surprised at this comment, he made light of it and laughed it off and said something like.."well it's a good thing I don't" and left it be. When he got home from the trip he was disturbed about it and told me right away. I said to my husband "You never know with my Dad." This conversation was never mentioned again until the Zodiac accusations. It really made my husband wonder. Based on over 20 years of knowing my Dad, and spending a lot of time with him including travel and camping trips, remembering the many conversations they had, he truly believes my Dad could indeed be the Zodiac. As far as possessions, I have only some of his ashes, a few letters from my mom where he wrote me a few lines, pictures and some video of him. I feel he really cared about me and what I would think of him and if he indeed did commit these horrific crimes he would never want me to know of it. I do believe he had a monster inside, I'm still not sure if that monster could have been the Zodiac.


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Mary, do you have any memories of the injury to Jack's hands? Specifically, do you remember when the injury occurred? Did Jack explain what had happened at the time, and over the years did that explanation change?
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Mary, just know that the fact that you are open to these questions, theories, and ideas is so incredibly great. There is much to contemplate, but one piece at a time and the puzzle will come together for all of you... I believe in You, Dennis, and Charles...
Just the fact that you have an open mind to this is half-the-battle!

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