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DiamondD

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Reply with quote  #76 
Golden, I hear you. But I still say that to me the point blank killing of Stein was in some way uncharacteristic Z, but maybe it's just me because I have made a career of noticing the unnoticed.
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I think it is only different because Z wanted to kill someone at that particular spot. Due to his uncracked big picture, he wanted a cab driver there. The fact that he needed to kill a cab driver--since that was the easiest target to maneuver to a specific place--dictated the differences. He wasn't going to get out of the car, turn and face the vehicle and start blasting just so that there was consistency in the "Look" of his crimes. He had a plan and a cab ride was part of it. This is why this crime was somewhat different, this time he was inside the vehicle, that is all.
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I agree with JC that the Stine killing was to complete his big picture. I also believe that Jack (Zodiac) had someone at a phone booth nearby that was to make a call to police at a specific time and report seeing a black man shoot a cab driver. The timing had to be precise in order for this plan to work, and it almost backfired. I believe that the person that made the phone call to police from a phone booth made the call a bit early. The call was possibly made seconds before Stine was actually shot and this is why the two police officers saw Zodiac walking away from the crime scene, they were already en-route. The call from the real witnesses had not been dispatched to the officers until after their encounter with Zodiac, that is when the suspects description changed to a white male.
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Great point Dennis. This goes with my theory about the other phone calls. The phone caller always seems to get the little details wrong. If they were there, they should get these details right. I think you point out the 3rd example of the phone caller almost blowing it. This screams of multiple person involvement. Somebody phones in the wrong description which allows Z to escape, PLEASE! Boy that Z is really the luckiest SOB on the planet..............or is it luck?
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I cant agree with the zodiac having someone call theory. There is no account or record of anyone calling in that night and reporting a black man killing a cabbie. If this had happened then it would be somewhere in the police reports or one of the cops or the dispatcher would have mentioned this. I believe the dispatcher bungled the description,allowing zodiac to slip away.
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Well this is a huge and I mean a HUGE detail. How is it after all these years that we don't have the definitive answer to this question? The answer to this question must be out there somewhere. I'll look for it. If it was the result of a phone call, then this is not a "lucky" event to me. If it was a simple mistake by the dispatcher then so be it. It should however be revealed, as the answer to this question could have enormous implications.
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I think its pretty clear we do have a definitive answer. If the police had received such a call, dont you think it would have been revealed by now. The dispatcher who took the teens call had trouble communicating with them due to all the commotion going on and messed up the description. Nobody associated with this case has ever mentioned such a call. If such a call had been made im quite certain it would have somehow come out by now.
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The police report failed to mention several things that took place that night. When it comes to the SFPD anything is possible. It is hard to imagine that a dispatcher would make such a huge mistake. If this was the case how did the dispatcher suddenly realize that she had made a mistake with the suspects description?
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Yea, without knowing the truth, common sense would dictate that someone phoned the call in. I think you are right Dennis. How come there is so little information relative to the other crimes when it comes to the Stein murder?
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So are we to assume that SFPD is covering up the fact that they received this call. I dont buy it. What other facts are not in the police report that occur ed that night?
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There are some other issues that took place that night and have been kept covered up as well, but before I point them out I am going to give the SFPD a chance to respond to them first.
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Jc and Dennis Vs Goldeneagle, OK both camps make very interesting points. I personally have never read any piece of police evidence / file/ report that specifically or implicitly states that a description of a black man shot and killed Stein. Having said that, I do understand that SFPD have made mistakes before. Maybe this mysterious black man was the guy who called and not shot, anything is possible right? I think was we need to know more about here are the time frames, time of Z call, time of witness call, time of Stein death, time of police broadcast, time of police re-broadcast, time of police encounter with Z. find out all these times and your picture becomes clearer. I am not able to find all this info.
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Golden, the authorities have a crap load of info that only they know about. Do you think that the public has all the evidence?
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Jc you are correct about that, how much more do they have, we don't know, what is the content of that evidence, we don't know, is it evidence strong enough to enable the experts to solve the case, evidently not.
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Believe me, the SFPD knows the truth behind the description goof. Don't you think they talked to the dispatcher? There is only 2 scenarios 1) someone phoned it in OR 2) they just somehow, made a mistake. The problem with 2 is that if no one phoned in a description to write down, then why are they writing down any description at all? I think SFPD knows that someone phoned it in, but did not disseminate this info. They are aware that multiple persons are involved in this case, but don't care to share this with the public. The FBI was already come to the multiple person conclusion.
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