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DiamondD

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Can we all agree that the photo's we see of Stine with head out of the car are ones that the body has been put in that position for photographic effect by the investigators?
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were police dogs ever used to p/u the scent w/Stine murder - i would presume they would have been able follow to Presidio or to walking man block away (unless he changed real quick?) or hopped in car?
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Yes Diamond...I think that we can all agree on that! :)
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I'm not sure I know enough to agree or disagree. All I know for sure is that there seems to be a large discrepancy in the photos of the Stein crime scene.
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JCloser...here is the police report where it talks about how they found him. http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport1.html ... and to clarify...I am not sure that it was done for dramatic affect...but all the pics that we have access to are the ones with him hanging out of the car. I just wanted to clarify b/c someone talked about his arm that was hanging out had a watch on and maybe Z wanted us to see the watch....
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TE - you can use the same link http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport1.html to read about the dogs they brought in to hunt for Z at the Stine location.. :)
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great so we can't even agree on this

Can ANYONE confirm that the investigators on site that night moved stines body for photographic purposes??
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All I can say DiamondD is that the actual police report states that he had his head on the floorboard of the car facing north. I would then have to assume to get the pics that we have seen up to now that the cops or coroner or whoever would have had to have moved him......There are most certainly other pics out there that we just havent seen...would be nice to see pics that directly correlate to the police report, right?
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Margie
Yes it would be.

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Thanks for the link Margie - appears 7+ dog units searched Presidio area; either not enough scent to p/u, he/they(?) split in a car, or lived nearby w/out enough scent to chase-changed clothes....


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The only "proof" (if you wanna call it that) I've been able to find is from the Yellow Book.

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When the coroner's office steward pulled the body out of the cab, Stine's bloodied San Francisco street guide came with him and fell into the street. The body was placed in a dark green-black plastic body bag with a long zipper, and then carried to a stretcher. Photographs were taken of anything that may have been underneath Stine.
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http://crimeshadows.com/news/2006/09/zodiac-killer-handwriting-analysis.htm
Not sure who did this analysis of handwriting, would be interested to get Dennis/Winnies (et al) insight on characteristics of handwriting per this link from Stine letter.
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At this time I cant remember how or where I heard about this, but as sketchy as it is here goes. Paul stine was supposedly an intern (or something like that) at the SF Chronicle or maybe it was the LA times. Im sorry that I have virtually no real info to back this up as I was hoping that someone here would have some knowledge about this. If this has been discussed before I apologize in advance. If anyone is interested in this I will do some research and re-post. Again, I hope someone here knows something that will save us all some time researching this.
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If Spinelli's account is correct, the motive is clear and perfectly rational. He wanted to establish his bona fides as a contract killer and such killings would be seen as not done by the mob as would otherwise be assumed. Spinelli was a small time hood per Bawart but he owned up to it and has subsequently cleaned up his act from what I gather.

In his filmed interview he seemed credible and his account of Allen's strength also echoes that of his confrontation with those five marines later recounted in Graysmith's book. He tossed them aside like paper dolls. By all accounts Allen was extraordinarily powerful.

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Link, TV said that on his site under the "recent news" area. He made this claim and said he was going to look into it. I'm not sure if he ever mentioned it again. So as far as I know it is nothing at all, just something TV said might be true and then dropped it.
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