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jim

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I have been waiting for what seems forever.

I know that Dennis was told within the week.

Will results be posted regardless of outcome?
JCloser

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My gut tells me that there will be no announcement of the results. I hope I'm wrong, but for some reason I get the feeling that the FBI will not release the results, or they'll come back inconclusive. What is to say that this black outfit is a different one--with no DNA on it--then the one Z used at LB? After all, the description of a "squared off" top of the hood (almost like a grocery bag) does not seem to fit the outfit I've seen. Maybe this was another outfit for another day--and sadly one that I believe will reveal nothing useful.
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I think FBI will give DNA results, and I am affraid that they will say Jack is Zodiac just to close this case (even maybe he wasn't Z), because it goes in their's favour
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Not to mention doubts they have zodiac's DNA. I have read reports what they used to rule out Mr. X and ALA was not a complete sample and couldn't even be complete proven not to be contaminated.
jim

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i agree....an inconclusive dna result would be blow. that would totally suck. hope the results are either yay or nay. then we could all move forward. if the case is solved, i hope dennis gets absolutely all the credit and he makes a ton of money. he would have deserved it.
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Inconclusive would be better than a neg. Then JT wouldn't be ruled out and then you could make a better case of the other evidence.
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Originally Posted by fanatic
I think FBI will give DNA results, and I am affraid that they will say Jack is Zodiac just to close this case (even maybe he wasn't Z), because it goes in their's favour


Incomplete DNA can exclude suspects but not say with certainty someone is guilty. All it can do is not rule them out.
While I think the FBI wants closure on this case the DOJ has jurisdiction. Any announcement or comparision of evidence would have to be through them as well, so don't expect a fast announcement.
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Here's my thing, if the FBI doesn't come out pretty soon and say "This is a hoax" you have to know that Jack was somehow involved, ok maybe he was just a Zodiac Groupie who made himself a hood to play with but I don't know... when you pair it with the circumstantial evidence, it's pretty compelling that this guy would have a hood like that.

Whether or not they get any DNA off the hood that proves it was used in a killing, if they at least prove that it is old enough to have been made at the time of the killings, I think that's compelling enough for most people, unless they already have a pet suspect.

I know the DNA tests simply comparing Jack's DNA to Zodiac's DNA might be inconclusive but I hope that if the FBI comes back and says that, they will at least explain to us what they think the hood, knife and photos are all about. Was Jack a killer, just not the Zodiac? if so we want to know about that too so that that case can be solved!

I think if the FBI comes back with a half assed report that the public should demand further information.

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jim

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Strange thing, Dennis said he KNEW that Jack killed before. Why not take that knowledge to the police sooner?

Regarding post by Dennis on 10/23/07 at 04:18 AM


wildcatbn

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I think he did in 2000 when Jack was still alive he went to the FBI. But you have to come to the police with a smoking gun or "bloody knife" before they will do anything for fear they will get sued now days. Until Jack's death alot of what Dennis found was still in Jack's possession.

It's just the fact that things where found a documentary was made then items were turned over to the FBI that doesn't sit well for the case. The less the items were handled the better to get evidence off of them.
doakc

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Is there any chance Jack staged some of this stuff to screw around with Dennis?

I think the pictures would reveal quite a bit. Might even give a conclusive vote without DNA evidence.
jimbo

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I heard because it's still considered an 'open investigation' the FBI is under no obligation to report anything to the public - but I do believe they will because it's such a high-profile case.
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I dont personally believe that if they dont match Jacks DNA to the DNA from the stamps that they have that means anything. I believe that anyone could have licked the stamps that the Z sent. I myself could give someone a letter and ask them to mail it...and leave it unsealed and with no stamp..ask them if they would mind getting a stamp for it...they get one .. lick it and stick it...then they notice that the envelope is not sealed...call me a butthole for being stupid and not licking it under their breath...lick it and stick it and drop it in the box. The DNA of the victims on the hood is the key. If there is DNA on the hood and it doesnt happen to match any of the known victims..then we are faced with someone different. He is a killer...and either he fashioned himself a Z mask to freak people out...or he is Z and killed people that we dont know about..perhaps enough to make up the 37 he bragged about..And come on! even a serial killer needs a change of costumes...maybe this was his "dress" Z hood and he had another more casual one. :)
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I dont personally believe that if they dont match Jacks DNA to the DNA from the stamps that they have that means anything. I believe that anyone could have licked the stamps that the Z sent. I myself could give someone a letter and ask them to mail it...and leave it unsealed and with no stamp..ask them if they would mind getting a stamp for it...they get one .. lick it and stick it...then they notice that the envelope is not sealed...call me a butthole for being stupid and not licking it under their breath...lick it and stick it and drop it in the box. The DNA of the victims on the hood is the key. If there is DNA on the hood and it doesnt happen to match any of the known victims..then we are faced with someone different. He is a killer...and either he fashioned himself a Z mask to freak people out...or he is Z and killed people that we dont know about..perhaps enough to make up the 37 he bragged about..And come on! even a serial killer needs a change of costumes...maybe this was his "dress" Z hood and he had another more casual one. :)



There are a couple of problems with this. In the 60s there was no reason for anyone to suspect that someday there would be DNA tests on saliva on old stamps.

Secondly, if Z had someone else mail his letters, that would be a witness because Z demanded the letters be published for all to see. So that witness who mailed them would recognize the handwriting and the envelope and know he had mailed it.

So, um..no.

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jimbo

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M, I concur about the stamps, too many variables involved. I think you can use the stamps on the Z letters to implicate Jack if they match the ones sent to Dennis from Jack, but you really can't conclude very much if they don't match.

K, not if he addressed them after the stamps were applied.

K, no doubt about no reason to purposely have someone else lick the stamps, DNA wasn't even on LE's radar at the time, BUT, maybe his wife had pre-stamped envelopes for mailing the bills and he grabbed a few of those as a matter of course then he addressed them and mailed them... like I said, too many variables relating to the stamps.


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