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dennislkaufman

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Terry, Mr. Dewhurst got upset when I didn't agree with those photo's being Rose Cole and now we do not not speak. The thing that got to me was, I never asked him theory as to what was in the photo's, he was supposed to just develope the film. After he did develope the film, he would only send a few pictures at a time and that was after he spent several days trying to theorize what they were. Mr. Dewhurst even stated to me that he was holding some stuff back for the book, and this is when I demanded him to send me all the negatives. I am sure he has not sent me everything as he obviously has hidden motives as to his involvement in this case. As to the book effecting his position as a professor, I don't think that is the case because he was holding seminars at the college about his involvement in this case and he received support from most of his co-workers, as well as his students. He stated to me how people were giving him hugs and crying telling him he was a hero. It appears to me that he was falsely trying to take credit for solving the Zodiac case, as well as other unsolved murders.
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Dennis, I think if I was your position I'd seek some legal advice and see if you couldn't regain your book rights claiming that he breached the agreement he made with you, I would think this would be provable simply by the fact that he hasn't made progress on the book. It's too bad that he hasn't worked with you in earnest.

I think that the evidence that you've provided regarding the BD photo's and overlay are pretty compelling. I remember seeing the head injuries on the Elizabeth Short photo's long before I came to this site and at that time I was wondering what could have made the pattern on her forehead, it almost looks like the pattern of bottle cap, the bottle cap could act as a gripper on the head harness, well anyway all that and the other injuries fit and are consistent with the photo's you've provided.

I don't know...maybe Dewhurst thinks he's got a goldmine or something. Again I think the truth is on your side.

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I found this while doing further reading on the BD case, go to the time line box and scroll down to Jan 9th 1947.

http://www.myspace.com/theblackdahlia1947

The cops had interrogated a guy called Red Manley but let him go, the description of the last guy seen with E. Short better fits JT, note that in the above link Beth Short told Joseph Fickling in a nine page letter that she was going to Chicago with "Jack" to do some modeling. The description does NOT fit Jack Anderson/Wilson, he was a much older and taller guy.

Also for Nanette is this link, she may already be aware of it.

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/short_e.htm

There's a copy of a letter from someone giving the FBI tips in the BD case, I thought that the handwriting seemed similar to JT's samples, what do you think ? Nanette may have already posted info on this, the cursive capital letter "R" caught my attention. The letter I'm referring to is someone that is predicting things about the killer, not the letters about the "Old Policeman" business.

I haven't had any luck getting the full autopsy report on Beth Short.

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Dennis, I searched the web for what I could find on Rose Cole, as you probably know she's simply listed as missing, I read the Rose Cole thread and couldn't figure out how anyone could be 99% certain it was Rose Cole in the photo's.

I think the overlays of Elizabeth Short were pretty darn good, in any event as you know the pictures indicate the mentality and likely criminality of Jack Tarrance.

I wanna point out that on the myspace link I made I haven't yet found any additional info to back the claim about E Short writing the nine page letter to Joseph Fickling regarding Jack, it would be nice to corroborate this information.

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Whenever you can Nanette would be great, I didn't examine it closely because I have the same problem...not enough time, also I'm not a studied expert like you are, thank for your feedback.

Yeah, that's the other thing, it's like the message to the FBI is taunting them somewhat, you'd think that they'd get a lot of helpful letters but I think it curious that the FBI would file this one, perhaps their experts at the time thought it might have come from the killer himself.

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Nanette, a couple of key elements to the letter were that the author said he suspected the guy had red hair and that he was handsome, this would explain why they FBI kept this letter as part of the case, in other words the author was being narcissistic. (Boy it's a good thing for spell checker, I couldn't have spelled that one!)
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I found another internet source that also says that the E Short letter to Fickling said she was going to Chicago with a person named Jack, I'd like to read transcripts of the interrogation of Red Manley to see if he was asked if he ever used the name Jack.

Also Nanette I came across info that pointed out the business that you pointed out earlier about the crime scene being near Degnan (sp) Blvd I think it was, a strong clue I'd say.

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Nanette, the first source is back a few posting in this thread, the second I'll have to get back to you, I'll check my history file.
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Nanette, one of them is in this link in a box that scrolls labeled "Time line"



http://www.myspace.com/theblackdahlia1947

I'm still searching for the other site, it's seems like I did this quite awhile back but I can remember when or where.

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I also read that one of the key LA detectives at the time said he felt that the lipstick killings and BD were linked, he cited similarities in the handwriting's as well as other similarities.

If you look at the photo's of her corpse as found you'll see that her left knee has a slight bent to it forming the letter J.

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Nanette, I know that you've touched on the connections between the BD and Lipstick killings in previous posts. This blog seems to me to be the best I've discovered yet on the BD case, Beth Short was fixated on the Lipstick killings for quite some time prior to her own murder. It has perhaps the best overview of the case from that era, the fact that Jack Anderson Wilson became as suspect is interesting, I believe however that Wilson's prior police records show that he wasn't necessarily violent and was in fact more of a drunkard than anything. I do believe that LE was looking for a man named "Jack" as their prime suspect.

The text on this blog is very small, I copied it to Wordpad which made it easy to read and is readily printable which can be even easier on ones eyes.

http://newpalcity.com/blogs/posts/BlackDahlia

I recommend that the whole article be read even if you are already very familiar with the case.

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Nanette, one prime loose end to the BD case is whether we can substantiate the claim the Beth Short told Fickling in her last letter to him that she was going to Chicago with Jack to do some modeling, I've only found this at one website but I think that it's a key point. A copy of that letter would be great, as well as actual police reports citing that as as known fact. Looking at the evidence from a public prospective it makes sense.
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Nanette, another key point regarding the BD case is the fact that Beth Short was obsessed with the Lipstick killings, this can be confirmed via many sources. I suspect that it may have led to her own demise, she might well have put "two and two" together so to speak or perhaps JT thought she might put "two and two together" and went after her. As you can imagine... there are several possible scenarios that could fit with what we know.

As you know many perpetrators, esp serial ones, will revisit the crime scene and follow the case closely.

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Yeah, information shared with LE probably flows only in one direction...theirs. Also it's an old cold case and they're probably already overwhelmed with contemporary crimes.

I think they should return his property to him.

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I find it disturbing that LAPD did not return all the negatives.
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