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Tamoose53

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I think it says "Jock" not Jack......Did I miss read it??
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I'm just throwing this out there, but LE was looking at a Jack at that time. His name was Jack Anderson Wilson. Officials thought they could link him to the "Cleveland Torso Killings" and possibly the Lipstick and Black Dahlia killings. He was supposedly in or near the areas, and at the same time the murders took place. Who knows. The guy supposedly died in a hotel fire in Los Angeles in 1982. Something else I'm throwing out there is the message written by the Lipstick Killer after having murdered Francis Brown: For heavens Sake catch me Before I kill more I cannot control myself. In the letter to Melvin Belli, the Zodiac speaks of not being able to control (controol) himself and/or losing control. Maybe something, maybe nothing, I don't know. Was just wandering if J.T. was ever known to frequently use the phrase of "being in control". Like I said, I'm just throwing this out there. Take care.
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I'm not sure of the timeline, but.....wait a second, are you saying J.T. wrote Belli or, J.T./Zodiac wrote Belli? Like I started to say, Zodiac supposedly picked "deal maker" F. Lee Bailey as his first choice and Belli, if Bailey was unavailable. I'm not sure which came first, the request for one of the two attorneys or, the letter to Belli. I've been away for awhile...I hope everyone here is doing well. Take care.
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The Dunbar show was in late October 1969. The Belli letter was postmarked December 20, 1969.
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Shall I go there? While I'm online for a moment here....Belli represents Jack Ruby who shot Oswald Dallas, TX 1963, was good at Injury claims and Jack alledgedly injures himself at GE Atomic Energy Plant leaving about 1963 or early 1964 as Dennis believes it's early '64. If true, could have sued for zillions and Belli would have been the El-Primo Attorney for such matters in the area who'd be able to quietly settle out of court! But, maybe Belli said no to a Lawsuit with GE who's connected to NBC affiliate KRON TV Channel 4 San Francisco, in turn to San Francisco Chronicle who gets lots of letters from Zodiac Killer.
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Nanette, as you probably know there are videos on youtube, one called "Most Evil: Bill Heirens" is an interview with Heirens where he denies killing anyone, other videos associated with it claim that Heirens fingerprints were found at one crime scene and on a "so called" ransom note.

As you also probably know the Chicago PD was notoriously corrupt in those days, the "custody of evidence" is what I'll bet you're seeking.

It's obvious they convicted Heirens with the press.

It's kinda hard to imagine a 17 year old kid doing these killings. washing the bodies and dismemberment etc. It's so sad.

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Thanks Nanette, Yeah that makes perfect sense. What got me to this board was I first read some info on Yahoo news about DNA tests having cleared several wrongly convicted people. The Zodiac story then linked to therealzodiackiller.com, the handwriting samples and report to me are solid evidence as well as the audio tape confession all of the rest of the evidence supports the case against JT as well.

There a probably many painful memories that Dennis and his family have had to endure that he and they might rather forget but it might help them in the long run to air most of it out.

I'm playing catch up ball on all of this and I get bleary eyed reading all the posts and trying to keep everything in mind.

I have other observations and thoughts regarding the whole subject but I'll try to first get as informed as I can before posting.

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NanetteB, there are so many areas where we can not go when it comes to people in the military like Jack did at least 2 Stints in: Navy WWII & Army at least by 1950 according to what is presented here. It will take us in circles if concentrating on getting Jack, the military past guy, to have US Gov in any way shape or form to look at him BUT IF WE STICK TO THE CLUES...IN THE LETTERS and evidence left by JT....just like Zodiac Killer, the public will see what we see and that in itself could free Heirens to at least some sort of Half-Way home as he probably is, to some degree, institutionalized. BUT he will be FREE! What I truly, have learned the last few weeks! Thank You Military ppl: Reps, Veterans, Fallen Soldiers....! Concentrate on the evidence for the public to see and it ends up in Heirens best interest.
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Nanette I pretty sure I found a Lazy F Ranch last year online in New Mexico but couldn't get page to open and then found the ones like you got in Texas, etc. I'll try again by this weekend but all I know is that there was an L(?) F Ranch in New Mexico. Even if by chance there can't be one found, Texas cattle could be travelling back and forth from Cattle Drives from up North down to Texas and back in the 1940s. Either way, it's a big clue into Jacks past that he left behind. Will try to look but ISP has been an issue here lately yet company says it's fixed...we shall see by Saturday.

Nanette, Jack went to Veterans Administration Hospitals? Did you know it was because either he had to prove his symptoms/illnesses/injury were Service Related or military already knew?

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Good info, good job. I only ask that thinking people study all of your reports on the handwritings and missives and that those same folks bear in mind that the author of the writings(JT) WAS trying to conceal his handwriting. I also wanna point out that they note the tone and phrasing of his evil works.
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Nanette, I may have posted this already but in both the books I've read and in the excerpts from Steve Thomas' book JonBenet the one main FBI agent told the cops that "never before" had they seen a case where the the child's body was washed and the parents weren't involved. Well we know that that's not true as in the case of the Oakland County Babysitter killings in the min 70's, the killing that I first learned about from you. And as you know JT had opportunity as much as we can tell so far and of course there is the Charleviox photo in this thread that shows he was aware of and familiar with the area.

So my point is that particular FBI agent wasn't very well informed then was he? Or was he stretching the truth on purpose? Yeah, there is a society that runs Washington and the rest of us are kinda on the outside looking in.

Lou Smit points out that parents don't fabricate garrotes to be used on their children to his knowledge.

Notice I how kind and generous I was by saying stretching the truth with regards to the FIB....I mean FBI agent.

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It's hard to believe that it isn't JT's work. As much as the FBI would like me to believe that this is a common thing among murders, many detectives have disagreed. Taunting police with handwritten letters is not a common occurrence.


Is FBI saying that it is common? Why are they saying that? Sometimes it's like they don't want to help.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer
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Nanette, I only brought up post #85 because it connects to your post #80 regarding Charlevoix. I didn't know however that the driving path is relative.

As you have pointed out many times, there are cross connections to these cases, no pun intended in the term "cross connections", it just came out that way.

Get it....cross connections....Zodiac cross-hairs?

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Nanette, when you noted that different jurisdictions didn't compare notes (I'm paraphrasing) it reminded me about the book Helter-Skelter, Bugliosi noted that within LAPD they had the evidence to tie things together early on at the time but little clicks of detectives wouldn't share info with each other.
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