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TerryB

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Cross-connected clues: The backwards stemmed t's found on the 1946 Chicago Lipstick killing is also found on at least 3ea Zodiac killer documents as well as the JBR ransom note.

The F in the Chicago Lipstick killing wall writing in the word MYSELF was constructed with the top and side being made in one stroke with a fancy loop that attaches both pieces, this same exact and very unique type of F is found on the envelope sent in to the San Francisco Chronicle after the Zodiac killing of Paul Stine, somewhat similar F's are found on the JBR ransom letter, most of the capital F's had a j hook to the bottom stem.

The JBR ransom letter contained almost 30ea capital F's and W's and placed improperly in the sentences, I can't help but suspect that the killer was making reference to Fleet White.

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As amazing as it may seem; the Amerithrax (Anthrax) letters had the JT signature nuance in the word "NEXT", with the XT serving as a JT, also in the threat letter sent into Goldman Sachs in the letters E he formed and integrated the JT signature nuance which is similar to the J hooked nuances in the JBR ransom note, esp the letters F.

"THIS IS NEXT" (anthrax letters)
"he is next" (Black Dahlia letter)
"you are next" and "just wait till next time" (Zodiac Killer)

Another Anthrax letter missive similar to the other documents is the way he misspelled the word penicillin.

Notice in the Anthrax letter that the N in NOW resembles the way the Zodiac killer formed his Z's.

The block style lettering that he used on the envelopes looks exactly like some of the Zodiac killers writings and also it has the nuance of the lines going down to the right which is a Zodiac killer nuance.

There are also several JT signature nuances in the Ed Burns letter left on the beach in the Black Dahlia case.

The SFPD got a good palm print off of a letter sent in after the Paul Stine murder in 1969, at this time I'm not sure of when the police released that fact but it explains why Jack Tarrance dipped his hands in acid afterwords and around that time frame.

I wouldn't be "on" to the inclusion of the Anthrax and JBR case or other cases had it not have been for the work of Nanette Barto, I was always very skeptical of these things until I recognized the JT signature nuances, then I studied carefully the whole business of handwriting, Nanette's letter by letter overlay presentation makes it easy for the layperson to see.

BTW, almost every letter W in the JBR ransom note has the J-hook nuance, also notice the J-hook on the first word "and" on page 3 of the JBR ransom note.

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Cryptic "cipher" type acronyms are found in the Black Dahlia, Zodiac killer, JonBenet Ramsey ransom note and the Anthrax/Amerithrax documents, these same documents all have the same theme; taunting the victims and police, look at me...I'm so much smarter than the police and LE.

Cowardly attacks on unsuspecting victims, easy prey for this asshole idiot.

It's pretty obvious that Dr Hatfill was being framed in the anthrax case, the reference to "Greendale" is specific info tied to Dr Hatfill, this shows how sophisticated the planning was that went into the anthrax attacks.

Obviously a dossier was compiled on Dr Hatfill and used in the planning of the crime

Also and obviously a dossier was compiled on the Ramsey's and used in the commission of that crime, the ransom note proves that.

OCCK is included as a "possible" if not "likely" JT crime because of several similarities in the commission of the crimes. The Zodiac killer bragged about children being his next victims. The "BY ROPE" threat didn't happen in any of the known Zodiac murders.

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This is evidence? How about the rope used to tie up hartnell?
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these same documents all have the same theme; taunting the victims and police, look at me...I'm so much smarter than the police and LE.


Ummm....wouldn't that be the general theme of any note or letter written to the police from a killer? What else would they be telling them? "I am such a stupid killer, and you will find me with ease?"

Any criminal that is writing to the police regarding a crime they have committed is doing so because they truly believe they are smarter than the police, and don't think they'll be caught.

It's not because they are all written by the same person.

And not to beat a dead horse...but it think we ALL want an answer to this question, TerryB.

Do you honestly believe that Jack purchased a Santa Claus suit, rented a private jet and flew to Boulder to commit this murder?

Really?

REALLY?

You really believe this? You must understand how very very unlikely this scenario is, right?
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Because of the fact that this serial killer initialed all of his works is what led me to make that comment. I said that I couldn't help but feel that JT did the crime himself.

That statement was "speculation", however; it's the sheer callous brutality upon a defenseless youngster that is so very similar to Zodiac and other crimes that have the JT initials on the documents. The Zodiac killer made statements that fit the crime as well. It's also the timing of the crime. Many nuances factor in.

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the same person that penned the Zodiac killer documents also penned the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note. There are an ample supply of letters to compare in these cases, so the fact that he used a "sharpie" becomes a moot point.

Since I know he was involved; the reasoning goes from there in two directions: 1) He did the actual killing himself, or; 2) He orchestrated the whole thing and put the term "instructions" in the ransom letter 3 times. "Follow our instructions to the letter." "Any deviation of my instructions" ...etc. "Follow our instructions and you stand...etc". These facts certainly fit a strong possibility that it was a murder by proxy.

Because this guy seemed to enjoy his work so much is what led me to feel that he wanted to do the deed himself.

A full study of the Zodiac and related cases is not something that can be done in a short period of time, it takes a lot of reading and sorting out the facts. I lurked this site and studied a long time before posting anything.

Someone did the JBR murder and a Santa Claus suit would be a good cover, couple that with the well documented fact that she said she was expecting a "secret visit by Santa after Christmas.

All of the cases show planning, I think some victims were randomly chosen and some were specifically singled out.

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An examination of the forensic pathology alone of JonBenet's death reveals that the child was dead by the time the severe blow was delivered to her head, she had been strangled twice by the so-called garrote, that device was more of a noose with a handle then it was a garrote.

The cord on the so-called garrote was too small to have been used in a twisting manner, it would have taken too many turns to tighten it up and there is no evidence to support that scenario.

So for the media, BDP or anyone to continue to call that device a "garrote" is basically a lie, it was a "noose."

The advanced method in which the handle of that device was constructed indicates a person using methodical reasoning to construct it. I think that type of handle goes back to the old days of separate pull starter cords for small engines such as lawn mowers and small outboard motors. With this reasoning I think that this indicates an older perp, or certainly the person that masterminded this crime was an older person, a young man isn't gonna possess the knowledge of how to construct the handle of that device. Once again; it's another piece of evidence that points to Zodiac Jack. I think that all of the "planted evidence" in the JBR murder is also Zodiac Jack 101.


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Apparently in the OCCk case; the one and only letter LE acknowledged, the person who wrote it used the term "slave", which is a cross-connected clue to the Zodiac case, also a psychiatrist named Dr Danto claimed he got a taunting call by the killer saying; "pray it doesn't snow", this was right after the body of Timothy King was laid out on display... which was a risky move by the killer much like the Paul Stine killing was.

Several other cross-connected clues in the OCCK case are Zodiac Jack 101. Currently I'm trying to get a copy of that very letter. The parents of the victims claim that LE has been stonewalling the case, I think that's true. Perhaps  someone was fearful that the handwriting would have matched the Zodiac killer's.

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This is one of my many files that I have to help sort out the various aspects of this and other Zodiac killer crimes, it's a compilation of work in progress:




Odd Evidence in the Ramsey case:

-pineapple found in victims GI track, bowl of fresh cut pineapple with large spoon discovered later on, Ramsey's had no reason to deny that they fed to her if it were true that they did

-water glass with tea bag in it and Kleenix box found next to the bowl of pineapple, Ramsey's said they knew nothing about it and had again no reason to lie about it

-black duct tape found on victim was never sourced, no roll of it was found in the house, duct tape had been recently manufactured

-tip of paint brush used to break victims hymen and part of garrote was never found

-sharpie used to write ransom note was of  a much older mfg date than other markers found in home

-several pages on tablet used to construct the ransom note and practice note were never found

-beaver hairs found on victim

-brown cotton glove fibers found on victim

-brown paper bag type fibers found on victims bed, perhaps from a cardboad tube used to carry the ransom note

-evidence victim was strangled twice, second event meant to kill her, blow to head came when victim was already dead

-stun gun marks on victims neck and leg, Former Det Steve Thomas called the stun gun evidence "make believe", yet many experts confirm that nothing else explains the duplicate marks and spacing is an exact fit the Air Taser brand

-a copy of Mind Hunter by John Douglas was found in Ramsey home, Ramsey's said they knew nothing about it and had no reason to lie about it

-a copy of a book in Danish found in home but Ramsey's said they knew nothing about it and had no reason to lie

-victim was wrapped in a blanket but her  legs and feet weren't covered

-victims arms were both poised upwards same as E.Short, skeleton card and spooky picture of Jack

-brown paper bag with rope in it is found in the guest bedroom, same room overlooked the garage and rear entrance to garage

-photo of bed in guest bedroom show that the dust ruffle was out of place in an otherwise tidy room, perhaps caused by a search for victim, the public domain doesn't have details on this

-Barbie doll outfit found near victim, may have simply stuck to blanket

-BDP claimed voices heard at end of 911 tape but the noise level was far too high for this to be a valid claim

- Fleet White was said to have called 911 on the 23rd, police arrived, his version of event this is not in the public domain

-upon arrival on morning of the crime; Fleet White looked in cellar room but claimed it was "too dark" in there, he had been in this same windowless room on previous occasions

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One odd and irrefutable thing about the Ramsey case is the fact that the police searched the basement of the house, the cop involved said he couldn't get the cellar door to open !

The OCCK case shows many similarities to the Ramsey case, it too is laced with several  cross-connected clues which is a common theme that runs through all of the cases mentioned, the bodies were placed on intersections that the names of were related to other title aspects of the cases. I'm compiling a file on cross-connected evidence on all of the cases mentioned, there are so many that it can be difficult to keep them all straight. Unlike catseye; I don't read too much into these facts, I indicate them simply as being poetic at this point in time. For example: the Ramsey's best friends were the Stines, this may have some meaning to the killer with regard to the Zodiac murder of Paul Stine but to read more into it than that is wrong unless there is solid evidence to show otherwise, there's just no sense in making things more complicated than they already are.

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Dude....let this go.  You are WAY too obsessed with this.  Your "evidence" to tie this to Jack is non-existent, your methodology is flawed, and you are an idiot.

HE DIDN'T DO THIS!  Nor was he the Zodiac for that matter...

let this guy rest in peace...and especially this little girl...

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Ashlee, I've always known that you were a troll, you just proved it with that statement.

My methodology isn't flawed, it's your personality that's flawed.

I'm not gonna let go of it, it's too bad the victims involved have been denied justice this long, if it was up to people like you they would never see justice served.

You'd better square up with your maker because you will never square up with people like me, you dumb ass.


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Well, I see that even Helen Dagner of the OCCK case has posted that she now believes there's been an active cover-up in that case. Surprise-surprise, she admitted that she was told of a conspiracy way back in 1991 but wouldn't listen.

Every crime from the 1946 Chicago lipstick murders, to the 1947 Black Dahlia murder, Jeanne French murder as well as the earlier Georgette Bauerdorf Murder, the Zodiac murders, the 1996 JonBenet Ramsey murder share several similarities in terms of MO, staging, letters to victims as well as  the 1976-77 OCCK case. These cases are ripe with cross-connected clues. I haven't forgotten Texarcana and the I45 killings either.

I see also that there are several more people on the net making the connection between the Zodiac murders, the OCCK and JonBenet Ramsey case. The Zodiac killer laid it all out in his last series of letters.

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I've noticed that several web pages have been posted these days that make a connection between the Zodiac killer, JonBenet Ramsey and OCCK case. The washing of the victims and laying out on display is just one of the many similarities these crime share.

The Zodiac killer bragged in his last letters that children were gonna be his next victims.

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Ashlee, I've always known that you were a troll, you just proved it with that statement.

My methodology isn't flawed, it's your personality that's flawed.

I'm not gonna let go of it, it's too bad the victims involved have been denied justice this long, if it was up to people like you they would never see justice served.

You'd better square up with your maker because you will never square up with people like me, you dumb ass.



Listen you effin' clown....these cases are NOT CONNECTED!  Get it through your thick skull!  They are all tragedies, and yes, they all deserve justice, but you are so far off, it isn't even funny!

You'd find a conspiracy theory in a box of crayons!~
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