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Here's a couple of documents from the BD case. The main point being the joo/Jew hint as found on the JBR phoney ransom note. I posted some of this on one of the BD threads too. SUCNTE-red2b.GIF 
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I've placed several key documents on the last several pages of this thread that support my lines of reasoning.
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Another point about this poster; is that whomever wrote it was very familiar with some of the structural nuances of the ransom note. They also must have noted the abundance of JT's found on the ransom note too given the fact that they apparently tallied up many of the phoney ransom notes characteristics.

BTW, even the R in Ramsey is a structural JT, the top portion is the J and the bottom portion serves as a T, carefully noting the shape of the T stem.

ransom2sgshe.GIF 

There are far too many JT's formed to have been a coincidence. Once you realize this fact, then go see how many JT's are formed in other ways, then you will truly be observing a revelation. Like the Zodiac killer and other related documents, the phoney ransom note is very cryptic. Two prime Zodiac killer keywords are 'Speaking' and 'possession' (sic). Intentionally misspelled words are also a shared characteristic. Then study each of the individual letters structural features, you'll then know that a lot of effort went into the assemble of the phoney bologna Ramsey ransom note.



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ransom1sgnue1.GIF  ransom2sg notes2.GIF 

Note the line: "At this time we have your daughter in our posession"(sic). A repeating Zodiac killer message was that the killer was "collecting slaves for the afterlife" and they were "in his possession". Note also that the word 'our' is actually structured to resemble the word 'my'. This also strongly hints that the girl is already dead. The line that follows that line has the implied word 'unharmed'  as being modified and also tends to hint that she's dead. The phoney ransom note has many very violent statements in it and many hint that she is already dead by the time the Ramsey's read the damn thing. The main target of this dastardly deed is John Ramsey, the third page strongly demonstrates this.

BTW, notice how you can lay the letter 'e' in 'suggest' right over the second letter 'e' in the word 'represent'. Nanette Barto has an eloquent presentation on youtube where she does the same thing with practically every letter of the alphabet in comparing the related crime documents. Dennis' letter and word comparisons are what first sparked my interest in these cases. I post here mainly out of a sense of duty to justice.


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Alex Hunter. In a December 2006 interview, Hunter stated: "there's more evidence in this case than any I've ever prosecuted in 29 years"

This is something that I've said over and over, there was far too much evidence left at the scene, most killers try to minimize the amount evidence left at the scene, this case had far too much evidence and much of it was very very screwy.

The condition of her body is telling but can we trust what it's telling us? The only information I have is what's in the public domain, the ransom note and these morgue images. First a little background on the subject: The so-called stun gun marks are disputed evidence. It took me awhile to sort this out. They may have been made to appear to be from a stun gun but might in fact have been made by finger pressure on the skin during strangulation. If they were from finger pressure, that might heightened suspicion of the parents? In this image, it seems that you can detect the outline left by the gaffers tape that was placed over her mouth after she was already dead. It appears to have been cut in a taper judging by the faint outline. Notice also the hair entwined in the noose. This tends to suggest that the the strangulation was done rather quickly.  jonbenetfaceright.jpg  jonbenetneck.jpg  It was structured like a noose, not like a sexual garrote. There were two strangulation events.


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Notice the hair entwined in the noose handle, this is one of several reasons why I suspect that the killer(s) acted rather quickly. That little girl would have been very difficult to wake up and especially after along day. garrote2.jpg 

Here's another point that dawned on me today: If the BDP found a broken wristwatch at the crime scene, that's a Zodiac Jack calling card.

No, I think that the killer(s) acted rather swiftly. How long would they have had to wait to get the pineapple past her stomach? At least an hour or more. Think about it: Try to feed a sleepy kid, wait around for over an hour, then strangle her? That noose handle evidence tells me that when the noose was put around her neck, the two strangulation events started immediately.

This was a very sophisticated crime indeed. Just that noose handle alone has a very unique structure to it.


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Notice that all of the letter intersections on the ransom note cross perfectly and most of the intersections imply the letters JT. I refer to these intersections and the close proximity JT intersections as being "primary" JT initial clues. The phoney ransom note is ridiculously saturated with secondary or tertiary JT initial clues that were made in several forms. The 'ct' in 'Victory' serves as a secondary JT initial clue. Even the 'R' in 'Ramsey' is structured as a compound or combination JT clue, it has the upper portion shaped like a 'J' and the lower portion shaped like a 'T'. The ransom note also has several other little devices that imply messages. On the last page, notice the last word; 'John' has the 'Jo' shaped like 'Jb'.


Adding up a summary of the words involved with the primary JT clues renders this message: (I put the 'I' ahead of 'exhausting' because it's capitalized.)

It exhausting....your daughter Watching....Speaking daughter money....any killing family killing...think 

I think you get the idea. One can form variations of this using the lower words in those same intersections. That message could be deceptive like the rest of the crime is. All of the above evidence clearly shows that a lot of time went into the assembly of the phoney ransom note. Just the fact that the intersections are perfect and involved spacing other words to make that happen, clearly show premeditation. As Lou Smit said, "No one wrote that ransom note after the murder, they'd of had too much adrenaline in them." (I paraphrased his statement)

All of the evidence clearly shows that a lot of planning went into this crime. The evidence linking this crime to the Zodiac killer crimes is abundant.

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Consider this line of reasoning: If you're the killer and part of the overall plan is to feed the victim pineapple to be found in her gut during an autopsy, you'de have to: 1) wake her up and she'd be very sleepy after a long day and hard to wake up 2) get her to eat some pineapple 3) wait around over an hour until it's passed through her stomach 4) run the risk of her getting panicky and crying or screaming 5)run the risk of being discovered, mothers are typically light sleepers, her brother could have gotten back up to play with his toys and/or eat something in the kitchen 6) strangle her twice 7) hit her in the head 8)place her body in the wine cellar, covered in a peculiar way 9) add phoney ligatures to her, phoney gaffers tape etc 10) place a bunch of odd evidence around the house to be later found, like the ransom note, the rope, the pineapple, the tea bag 11)exit the scene

Now, if you know that she's already eaten the pineapple, that would streamline the time frame and greatly reduce the risk of being discovered:1) set up all of the odd evidence, like the pineapple in the bowl, the tea bag in the glass before you snatch the child, the books could have been placed before the family got home 2) then carry the sleeping victim to the basement 3) do the dastardly deeds rather quickly,4) strangle her twice, 5) hit her in the head, 6)add phoney ligatures, stage the body 7) place the phoney ransom notes or an accomplice does that and 8) exit the scene.

(BTW, I think that the shoe print evidence was intentionally planted too, the one shoe print is too tidy.)

So, if you're the killer(s), which of the above scenarios is gonna be easier to control things and keep things from getting out of your control?

Think about it, have you ever had to try to wake up a sleepy child? Remember when you were young and someone tried to wake you up and especially long before you got plenty of sleep and after a long day? The second scenario is the only one that makes sense. The pineapple had to have been fed to her at the White's house.

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You can see in the previous posting why Detective Lou Smit said that there was a lot for the killer to do in the execution of this crime.

It's been reported that the victim said that she was expecting a visit from Santa after Christmas and that it was a secret. It had to have been someone with access to the victim that told her this. The parents said that they knew nothing about this beforehand. You can add that information to the strong likelihood that the pineapple was fed to her at the White's house, then you can see that the killers exerted at least two points of control beforehand.

There are many crime scene things that I haven't found in the public domain. That 'Hightec' shoe print impression was a little too perfect and if I understand it's orientation, it's as though the shoe was facing in the wrong direction?

Just trying to sort out the logistics of how and when the phoney ransom note was placed is a puzzle. I tend to believe that the killer(s) wouldn't place the ransom note on the stairs until after the child was dead. Otherwise, they'd risk it's discovery before they completed all of the things that were done.

On the other hand, if you review the risk that the Zodiac killer took during the commission of the Paul Stine murder, then it makes you wonder if the killer(s) enjoyed the risk factors?

One of the first things that John Ramsey said that morning was that it was an "inside job". I tend to think that he made a short mental list of possible suspects, then they called all of those on that list that morning to see if he could detect who was involved. I've read that he denied that but I know it's what I would done had I been in the same situation.

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Besides recognizing the sheer brutality of her killing, being mindful of the pineapple evidence is one of the most important things in understanding the Ramsey murder.  It would have acted in the parents favor had they said one of them fed her pineapple. They'd have had no advantage in lying about the pineapple thing. This means that the killer(s) fed her pineapple and they wanted it to look like a fair amount of time was spent with the victim with the way the scene was staged. To me; it's plain that the killer(s) are trying to steer the investigation with the way they set up the pineapple evidence. Notice the empty glass with tea bag in it, again; the message is that some time was spent with the victim.  The desire was to keep the investigators thinking that the pineapple was fed to her in the home, that way they the killer(s) could move swiftly and be in and out undetected.  There was far too much evidence at this particular murder, far too much minutia in the phoney ransom note. The pineapple evidence plainly indicates that the murder was intentional. The wrist ligatures on the victim were obviously phoney, so was the black gaffers tape that was applied to her mouth postmortem, the list goes on. Besides the outward threats of violence on the phoney ransom note, the thing has several subtle but detectable clues that the victim is dead by the time the Ramsey's discover the note. The parents would have had no advantage in owning a copy of Mindhunter or the book in Danish and lying about it. The same goes for all the rest of the very odd evidence. 2006-06-29_schiller12.jpg  AnatomyColdCase217.jpg  AnatomyColdCase218.jpg  AnatomyColdCase219.jpg  AnatomyColdCase223.jpg

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On some of the last of the Zodiac killer documents, he boasted about what he was gonna do in the future. He said he was gonna "make things seem like something they were not" (paraphase). He boasted that he was formulating his "masterpiece". While I view the OCCK case as being his foul work and I think the evidence left at the 1978 Chris Busch death scene  irrefutably has his signature to prove my last statement, I suspect that Zodiac Jack wasn't satisfied that it was his "masterpiece". I think that the Ramsey murder fit his criteria as being  his "masterpiece." My personal view of Zodiac Jack is that he was a just terribly pathetic and viscous crybaby and the true definition of a punk. There's nothing masterful about what he did, certainly not to my way of thinking. Yeah, he pulled it off..... yeah, he fooled some people.....big deal.

I'll say it again and again: The pineapple evidence is absolute proof that the viscous, brutal and depraved murder of JonBenet' Ramsey was premeditated. It was no accident and it was never a kidnapping for money. 




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I went back to review some of the things related to the crime scene and came across a hint that the victim had pieces of black tape on her legs. I don't recall ever reading this before today. Like most of the JBR specialty sites on the web, I'm appalled that they continue to distort the case the way they do. So I don't know if it's true or not about there being pieces of black tape on the victims legs? If it is true, I wonder if it's further evidence of a mimic of the Black Dahlia case? Victim E. Short had a chunk of flesh cut out of one of her legs. Add that to the black tape over JBR's mouth and the way she was posed and you can see what I mean. You can add the joo/Jew crime document hints to that too.

I have a crude work in progress list of all of the "Inside info the killer(s) would have to know" to pull off the crime the way it was done. At least two items on this list defy the simple electronic monitoring hypothesis of the Ramsey's that I've posted about. These same items required a direct interaction with the victim sometime(s) prior to her murder:

1) she was fed the fresh cut pineapple by someone 2) someone she had contact with told her to expect a "secret" visit from Santa. This same person could have been concealed themselves from the view of the parents in the case of the secret Santa visit business but how could they have concealed themselves in plain view when it comes to the feeding of a piece of pineapple to the victim? It's readily detectable that the cops were very interested in the White's in their separate interviews of John and Patsy Ramsey. So how the hell could the BDP clear the White's as suspects? Did they simply reason that since the bowl of matching pineapple was found at the Ramsey's that that removed suspicion from the White's? It just doesn't jibe.

How could the cops monitor the grave site to see who all showed up, yet not know who placed the stuffed rabbit(a solid Jack clue) on her grave? That too, doesn't jibe. This is one of several reasons why I've never directly notified the BDP about the JT clues plastered all over the ransom note. It doesn't jibe with me that they didn't find the JT clues several years before I happened upon them. How much money was spent on this case?
 
It also doesn't jibe that the BDP couldn't detect that there was a  second author posting under the decemberman or Daxis handle, the evidence of this is also abundant.

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Lately I've been thinking through  all possible branches of reasoning regarding how the killer(s) 'pulled it off' regarding a couple key pieces of key evidence. I have a list that's a compilation of points that I have labeled as: "Inside info the killer(s) needed to know", it's a fairly long list of points. All of the points on that list can be explained via monitoring of the Ramsey's except these two points: 1) someone that had contact with the victim fed her pineapple Christmas day 2) sometime prior to that day, someone told the victim to expect a secret visit from Santa. This gives the killer(s) at least two points of control.

Today I was reviewing jameson's site and saw the pictures of the alley behind the Ramsey's home. Also on her site it was said that the victim could have been fed the pineapple as early as 4:00pm. So, what I'm trying to find out is; if JonBenet had taken her new bike for a ride down that alley Christmas day? If so, it could have been a place of opportunity for the killer or one of his operatives to feed her some pineapple. This would let the White residence 'off the hook', so to speak.

I'm still adamant that her killing was premeditated, the evidence to support that position is clearly there. Since we know that the crime scene and ransom note are filled with deception, we must scrutinize all the aspects of the crime that we can. The intentional placement of the bowl of fresh cut pineapple and the tea bag in the glass would have us first believe that the killer(s) spent a lot of time with the victim. I'm certain the opposite of this is true, I think the killer(s) would wanna be in and out ASAP. Left behind was the phoney ransom note when the killer(s) certainly knew that the victim was already dead.

Also on jameson's site: She said that the copy of Mindhunter was a lie told by LE. I have no way of knowing if that's true or false? It seems to me that all of the books I've read reported that as a fact.

Perhaps Fleet White noted the 30ea or so of the improperly placed capital F's and W's on the phoney ransom note and that made him panicky? It would explain a lot.

This message was pasted here. I know I'm being terribly redundant but I am trying to be as candid as I can in trying to ferret out a sensible explanation to cover all or most of the anomalies of this nasty crime.

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I kept typing in BDP instead of BPD. The thread title typo has an unintentional space in JonBenet's name.

Let me point out that I lurked Dennis's site for a long time before joining. I knew little to nothing about the Zodiac killer before I came here. I vaguely remember hearing about it when I was a kid. I felt that Dennis' evidence in it's totality was certainly intriguing. His handwriting comparisons are very good. I read everything I could except Graysmith's books. I was also pretty ignorant about the Ramsey case. I remember thinking that if the cops couldn't figure it out with what they had, that maybe Patsy had a low-life boyfriend that was responsible for the death? It was an easy way out for me to settle it that way in my mind. Once I had read up on the Zodiac killings enough to ask informed questions, more and more things were fortified by additional findings made by others and myself. I was about ready to get on with my life and I figured that if LE doesn't get it, then someone is bucking the whole thing? The evidence obtained in and after the Paul Stine murder cinched it up for me, then I knew that Jack Tarrance was indeed a good suspect. Add that to Hartnell's testimony and it too fit Tarrance's description, southern drawl, dark reddish brown hair, potbelly, shoes, glasses and all. All of the other so-called suspects offered in the Zodiac case had zero evidence to support any such claim.

When Nanette Barto first claimed that her studies of the handwriting's included the Ramsey ransom note as being a match to the Zodiac documents, I thought bullshit! How can she tell that? Well, she explained it to me carefully and I figured that since she was patient enough to do that, that I should give it another look. Then crazy person catseye piped in, as she does and said that Jack's initials are "all over it". Well....that got my dander up because I was getting pretty fed up with catseye and so I set about studying the ransom note to dispute her statement. Additionally and initially I thoughy that; here is a crazy person that makes all these wild claims based on little to no evidence, so why didn't she embellish this in another one of her rambling presentations, presentations that have huge leaps in logic. So.....I take my first long look at the Ramsey ransom note and low and behold; an outrageous number of JT's are plastered all over the damn thing. I was stunned! Here I was ready to go back to my previously happy life and basically all but abandon the Zodiac killer business, or certainly put it on the back burner, so to speak.

So....I became a student of the Ramsey case. Initially I was appalled by the crude brutality and overkill done to the victim and certainly knew it was by no means an accident, nor did it stem from an accident. The forensic autopsy evidence is not ambiguous about how she died. I'll say it again and again: The pineapple evidence clearly indicates that her killing was very intentional. To me and to my way of thinking, it's downright intentional and/or damn stupid for any so-called detective to claim that the parents were in on the crime.  As if either or both parents were dumb enough to write a crazy three page ransom note and then leave the body and evidence.... like the bowl of pineapple around to be used against themselves!!! Come on! Yet, that basic message was being conveyed to the public! Any LE person that knew these facts and still insisted that the parents were involved, should have been charged with malfeasance and of course, fired. So why did that not happen?!!!Well...that last question will have to be part of another study of the Ramsey case. For a good primer to the Ramsey case, read Judge Julie Carnes summary judgement in the Wolfe vs Ramsey civil case. It's clear, concise and easy to read and one of the first acts in the Ramsey saga  where something called 'justice' starts to happen.

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What possible advantages come from making the ransom note so long?

He can integrate approx 30ea improperly placed capital F's and W's
He can integrate his initials JT over 23ea times, several more times as secondary nuances.
He can convey that it's phoney because it's left despite the fact that the victim is already dead
since  the pineapple was planted to convey that her murder was deliberate, it too conveys that her kidnapping was phoney, this ultimately should have acted as exculpatory evidence for the parents and family
it serves as a taunting of both the police and the family
it allows him to apply a time/date stamp
it allows him to include a cryptic sign-off
it allows him to include Zodiac killer keywords, missives and nuances: Speaking, posession(sic), bussiness(sic), time, etc.
it allows him to convey who the target actually is
it allows him to hint who might be behind the hit
it hints at "two gentlemen" when whomever executed the girl was no gentleman, it might also hint that two persons were present during her killing
it allows him to show that he's a fan of cop or crime movies
it allows him to convey that the Ramsey's were monitored
it allows him to show off his artistry and imply meta-messages
it allowed him to integrate a message that's conveyed by the deliberate letter intersections
it allows investigators to compare this document all the way back to the Degnan murder, which had a similar but short message, Degnan victim was dismembered
the only cursive writings hints at law enforcement  and phonetically 'try two divas'
it might also allow him to contain an encoded message within the note
it allows him to vent all of his sadistic threats, like kill, beheaded, she die's, execution.....and several times over
the suitcase evidence was phoney because the Dr Seuss book conveys concern for the victim, the crime says otherwise
it allows him to show that he's very comfortable with killing and sadism
it allows him to hint at the 'brown paper bag' hence 'rope' clue left on 2nd floor and as linked to the Chris Busch death scene and back to Zodiac killer threat "By Rope"
it allows him to hint that the victim is already dead by the time the note is received
it allows him to make the direct statement: "You will also be denied her remains for proper burial"
it allows him to comment: "we are Familiar with Law enforcement"
it allows him to boast about technical and tactical abilities and "how much smarter he is" as was a Zodiac killer quote
ultimately he gets to mock the whole process by leaving a long winded message which leaves more evidence than most true kidnappers would like to leave
he's saying "catch me if you can", a Zodiac killer taunt to the police
it allows him show contempt for wealthy people (which may be a put on)


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