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Rocker

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Two Quick notes.......

1. I don't agree with you Profiler on Barto. I think initially she helped the investigation, as getting the FBI to look at Jack's handwriting again with specifics on similarities pointed out, was very important.

Once she got on the MB it seemed like she/a couple people went into OVERDRIVE and there was a lot of frantic activity and wild theories being thrown around....and THAT hurts the creditibility of the underlying "Jack is Zodiac" message. Whether there was a conspiracy or not to change the Z letters ...I don't know....don't think so...but don't know... but the "over-the-top" or hyperactive activities and accusations on here the last few weeks DO hurt the credibility.

2. To Catseye, re: Bill Armstrong doesn't exist ??? You must not have looked too hard because I checked his name and got dozens of hits and looked up 2 of them and found newspaper articles where he was quoted on 2 other SF cases. It's hard to get specific info because his name is very common so you have to weed through alot of listings....but I didn't try very hard and immediately got 2 hits.

Just an observation.

Dennis, we all support you and what you are doing. You've got to admit there has been some outlandish stuff being tossed around here that has brought up a lot of people voicing their dissenting positions. I for one would like to see us re-focus on proving Jack as Z and hopefully get this thing wrapped up in the next week or 2.
Please continue to keep us updated as you can.

Rocker
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Bravo, Rocker, for your common sense.

I agree -- the hysteria on this MB is taking away from the credibility of Dennis Kaufman's claims. Plus, the back-and-forth about TV's MB is tiresome and distracting, as well as the "big announcement is coming" teasers.

I was a believer in the Jack Tarrance theory, but after reading this MB for the last few months, the three-ring circus has left me cold.

I hope for Dennis's sake that this matter is cleared up once and for all by the professionals (mostly to put an end to the bickering). Best of luck, Dennis!

AveryJ





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Rocker, what I have been asking for to prove that senior Investigator Bill Armstrong really existed and worked for SFPD was his bio, his education (Teachers, Alumni sources, esp, Criminology fields), his resume, lots of pictures and this has to be all from pre-Internet sources that don't take you round & round to Voigt et al. I stick with my claim that Armstrong was just a hollywood PR stunt to give SFPD a facelift just like what has happened recently with SFPD backing Voigt (non LE) and the corruption/fraud, having media promote him. My cousin was in all the Streets Of San Francisco as a Hollywood extra. I tried to debunk his claims, 1995, only found Graysmith tidbits, nothing in old microfilm (pre-photoshop days). The Paul Stine shirt pic at ZodiacKillerTruth.com adds to the alleged Conspiracy of SFPD backing a coverup as this Armstrong pic is at a site that says Voigt is the Zodiac authority. Its as-if this was tried before, so do it again. If you people here think that just by nailing a deceased man, now Jack Tarrance, and this will all go away, you are deluding yourselves. This is not about pinning it to a deadman, this is about Corruption, Fraud, and people still alive able to be prosecuted (Danny R's DNA, Denny T, Dorris R?) and a whole list of other charges.
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Heres the same picture from sfgate.com Does that make it morecredible in your eyes?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2007/03/01/MNG4BODB1K1.DTL
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I agree with you too Rocker! This board gets wacked out so fast it's ridiculous. Just days ago we received probably the most exciting news you would want to hear concerning this entire Zodiac case from Dennis!!! Why start arguing about this stuff or bringing up more conspiracy theories now?!?!
From reading the beginning of this thread, it sounds like this case is coming to a close, that maybe after 40 years there is finally an answer to the Zodiac case, yet and still you want to come hear and blab and stir up crap and make trouble! For crying out loud people! This is embarrassing, really it is!
Some of you who claim your big supporters of Dennis need to calm down and just wait this upcoming news out before you move on to some new conspiracy!

Sweetcheeks I've said this before but I think you have done an amazingly great job, especially considering all the road blocks and other "crap" you have encountered. This can't be an easy case for anyone to work on so I give you Kudos and say Congratulations for a job well done.

And of course Dennis, even though I am very new to this board, I have been following your case for at least a year and I say "Congratulations" to you as well. You have stuck with this for many years and not waivered in your beliefs, it says alot about your character. Great job!

I can't wait until we hear the final outcome!
catseye

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DrGonzo, no. This is supposed to be crime lab scene from an unsolved murder of someone. And this was supposed to have been taken within a day of the murder?And, of course this online pic is also at ZodiacKillerTruth.com, is apart of the media machine for Voigt. It takes you round and round. This is supposed to be evidence and they are posing for a photo. Check how clean their clothes are and where are their protective suits so as not to contaminate the evidence? This was just a photo-op. Just that Stine Shirt Armstrong/Toschi pic says it all. Anyway, still waiting for this Sr. Inspectors education, bio, resume...that is traceable. Even Heather Fong has a bio that can be read....education, what courses, etc. I served alot of College/University students and I know, that if you are to be promoted in the Justice Fields, like becoming a Homocide Investigator, you must further your education. What degrees/certificates does he have and from where? Still waiting for detailed info and this is not a new conspiracy theory. SFPD has been a problem for years.
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catseye

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DrGonzo, and where are their gloves? This is supposed to be a crime scene morgue photo and they are handling the Stine Shirt barehanded. Homocide Detectives????? LOL Thanks for having me look at the old Armstrong/Toschi that I have seen before. You make me credible!
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thrib

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I'm finding it pretty embarassing at the moment. I tell people that JT was Z - they get interested and come here to check it out, and... suddenly they're reading about bizarre conspiracy theories.

Catseye, I find your posts incredibly difficult to understand, they're so badly written. I understand that English may not be your first language. I do try to understand your posts, but I'm often left wondering if I can have read them right.

If you are claiming that SFPD made up the existence of a cop for PR reasons, then it seems to me you need slightly more convincing evidence than the word of a distant cousin who worked on The Streets Of San Francisco.
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Thrib, do you honestly believe that real Homocide Detectives would allow a photo-op at a crime scene and handle evidence bare-handed and without protective clothing? Ok, english is my first language, just worked with many who had english as a secound language. Go ahead, attack away. I am still chuckling at the old Tosch/Armstrong/Stine photo-op. And can you give me any credible tangible evidence that debukes the claim that Armstrong actually wasn't a real Homocide Inspector? Teachers, bio, resume,....????
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thrib

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Catseye,

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This is supposed to be crime lab scene from an unsolved murder of someone. And this was supposed to have been taken within a day of the murder?


The photo is dated 1974.

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This is supposed to be a crime scene morgue photo and they are handling the Stine Shirt barehanded.


It looks like a pair of pants/trousers to me.

What makes you say this was taken a day after the Stine killing, and shows them handling the shirt? Or have I completely misunderstood you?
Karma

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetcheeks
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Originally Posted by Karma
"BEING SAN FRANCISCO, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR CITY OFFICIALS TO HAVE A FEMALE HOMOSEXUAL POLICE CHIEF. FONG WAS GROOMED FOR THAT POSITION GOING BACK TO 2000."



Held my tongue as long as I could about Ms Barto's lack of professionalism but there it is.

Til now I have refrained from commenting on her lack of professionalism, and the fact that she critiques spelling oddities in her report yet can't spell for shit herself...among other things.

But this is the straw that broke the unprofessional illiterate's back so to speak.

I completely expect to be banned now and I honestly don't care.

This in no way affects my original thoughts on JT as a Z suspect.

Just a little sick of the ignorance and low IQ's.

To the homophobic idiots on here: "grow the fuck up".

To Dennis and any and everyone actually affected by this case personally: I hope this case comes to a close VERY soon and that you can all have closure and move on.

peace


You are out of control. What you quoted in your message was written by someone else, not me. Pull your head out yourself and read. I may spell bad, but what does it say if you can't read?




Perhaps my anger at the ignorance of that comment got in the way of being able to properly ascertain who the original author was.
That does not negate the fact that you are immature, unprofessional, and semi-illiterate.
I was the first to welcome you to this site and one of the first to applaud your work.
Once you came here and started chatting, you lost most if not all credibility you may have had with most folks. And that is just sad because there's so much BS already surrounding this case with false accusations and info from Tom Void, there really didn't need to be any fuel added to the fire.

I should have followed my first instincts after reading several of your posts and sent you a private message requesting (begging) you to go back and edit your posts and *at least* use some sort of spell check. But I didn't.

So yes maybe i've made a few mistakes.

My greatest hope in this matter is that you're an imposter and not even the actual Ms Barto.

If you did not make the homophobic comments, you have my apology.

However I still maintain that you should not be posting the things you do on here, it is your right, but for the sake of Dennis and everything he's been through with attacks about his credibility you could have at least kept the chat professional, and used spell check.

Again, sorry if my anger was misdirected, but I am angry at multiple things, not just that one comment.
And sorry for the interruption.

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catseye

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2007/03/01/MNG4BODB1K1.DTL If I mispelt this, check the drgonzo post. I just thought I would thank drgonzo and thrib for making my claims even more credible. Real Homocide Detectives, even for a photo-op decades ago, would at least pretend that this was the real thing and have gloves, protective clothing. Where was this c1974 photo taken? On the set of Marcus Welby MD? Or Columbo? Thanks, I hadn't such a laugh in a long, long, time!
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thrib

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Catseye,

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I just thought I would thank drgonzo and thrib for making my claims even more credible. Real Homocide Detectives, even for a photo-op decades ago, would at least pretend that this was the real thing and have gloves, protective clothing. Where was this c1974 photo taken? On the set of Marcus Welby MD? Or Columbo? Thanks, I hadn't such a laugh in a long, long, time!


So... am I understanding this right? You jumped to completely incorrect conclusions about the photo. (You were wrong about when the photo was taken, and what the article of clothing was.)

And this makes you MORE certain that you have jumped to correct conclusions, regarding the wholesale invention of fictitious detectives by the SFPD. Because an extra on 'The Streets of San Francisco' told you so.

Your post above implies that you also believe that Toschi didn't really exist. Is that right? You said:

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Real Homocide Detectives, even for a photo-op decades ago, would at least pretend that this was the real thing and have gloves


So Toschi is fake too?
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Originally Posted by catseye
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=1&f=/c/a/2007/03/01/MNG4BODB1K1.DTL If I mispelt this, check the drgonzo post. I just thought I would thank drgonzo and thrib for making my claims even more credible. Real Homocide Detectives, even for a photo-op decades ago, would at least pretend that this was the real thing and have gloves, protective clothing. Where was this c1974 photo taken? On the set of Marcus Welby MD? Or Columbo? Thanks, I hadn't such a laugh in a long, long, time!


Catseye, this will be my last interaction with you. I would love to prove you wrong, or simply have an intellectual discussion with you. However, for about the last three weeks, it seems anyone who has a critical question for either Mrs. Barto or you runs the real threat of getting banned. Thus, the shield you hide behind prevents me from granting your request. I have decided to merely observe, although I agree with most that this board is now getting very close to "Jumping the Shark"

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catseye

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JCloser, Thrib, Is this all you got, critiquing me on spelling, criticing when date photo of "Armstrong & Toschi" w/Stines clothing was taken? You can't be serious that after seeing that photo-op of who are supposed to be Homicide Detectives, w/out protective gear/gloves at a crime scene/morgue, are the real deal? "Armstrong & Toschi" are not only horrible detectives, they aren't even good actors! Still waiting for bio/resume, etc on "Bill Armstrong" even Toschi's online bio is a little sketchy. And, JCloser what is Jumping The Shark? Thanks again drgonzo, thrib and now JCloser....my credibility is pretty good.
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