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Ricky80

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Barman and Link,

Absolutely, I took Zodiac's attempts at disguise into account. In fact much of the comparison is predicated on the fact that the author of the Zodiac documents was attempting to disguise his handwriting. Unfortunately for Zodiac, and Barto, the motor memories that guide our handwriting beyond simple allograph construction are much harder to disguise. Any honest evaluation would have accounted for that.

Mr. Kaufman,

First, "OBE" means "overcome-by-events". I didn't just drop by and take a pot shot here. I told Ms. Barto my second opinion was in progress and that I did not agree with her on some important parts, especially the issue regarding lower case "a" construction.

Feel free to argue against my opinion. I am happy to have a constructive conversation, should you find fault with my analysis. Attacking my motivation is simply diversion away from an analysis that does not support your claims.

Second. Please do not make claims that cannot be backed up. The FBI has not confirmed any part of Nanette Barto's analysis, least of all the conspiracy garbage about the lower case "a".

I am absolutely NOT Bart Baggett. The damage he and his ilk do to forensic science is immeasurable, but I have said before I will avoid making ad hominem attacks here, so I will leave it at that.


Catseye,

While I respect your opinion, there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that anyone ever tampered any of the Zodiac documents, original or otherwise. The artifacts that Ms. Barto and Mr. Kaufman believe to be proof of this conspiracy have been dismissed by the FBI and every other agency and expert they were presented to as exactly what they are, artifacts of reproduction.

Rick
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Message board is acting flaky, only showing my previous post if I post a reply. Weird.

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Ricky, my question of interest is why you did this?? What was all the hours you put into this, for?? Do you know something that Dennis doesn't know concerning the FBI accepting NB's work as authentic and correct? How do YOU know that the FBI doesn't agree or has not confirmed her conclusion??
Seems strange to me, and think about this yourself Ricky; you show up here only a few weeks ago, dispute NB work, post extremely long messages, claims of what you know, what you do, what you've done, how you would do things, and then take on the task of analysing JT's handwriting for hours on end, for what, "the fun of it"?? And you come back with the opposite conclusion of Ms Barto..Hmmmmm....Who are you again, and why are you here?? What are your credentials and background?? What do we know about Ricky80??? Doesn't add up Ricky, it just doesn't....Did you put your career on the line with this conclusion?? Your reputation?? I ain't buyin what you be sellin Ricky, sorry...Take it to the FBI......
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I dont have time to give a close look at the handwriting tonite to decide if I agree more with SC or Ricky of course I am very much a layman in this regard but tis all we can do to see what we want to believe........I do not believe Ricky is who he says he is but never the less he could still be right and every time we go back over the handwriting we either make our initial conclusion stronger or learn something new. I have believed that SC was right since the first time I looked at it and dont expect to change my mind but we will see.

I would like to reiterate my belief that for the "a" to change in the letters the way it did.......all of the letters would have changed in similar fashion and in any case I cannot see how resizing would have changed the shape in that way.

Ok Ricky you do deserve to know why I do not trust you........first you very casually dropped the cheese letter bomb on SC.......at the time it looked very purposeful to me.......I am reading between the lines on that but it is strange that none of us had ever heard of them until you mentioned them. I do believe (not sure) that SC got her copy from one of the sad badge emails.......I do think SB was at least 2 diff ppl and prob 3 who were not working together but all had the detriment of SC in their plans.

Second........you casually asked Catseye why she didnt ask Toschi about BA and then later SB sent SC an email saying that Catseye was well know to SFPD and she bothered them quite often.

Third..........the last email that SC related to us from SB contained part of the mikado poem that z had wrote........you posted that SB was quoting mikado before SC ever posted the email from SB..........in other words you beat her to the punch indicating that you knew what was being sent to her. SC deleted the post that had the mikado verse in it and I do not know why........I think she was getting spooked and it was a very creepy email.

I do not know who is who on here just some opinions as to who a few of them might be......I apologize if I am wrong on this Ricky if I thought I knew for sure I would say so. If you feel you are above answering any of this that is fine I do wish however that you would answer the point I had about the a's

All I can really say for sure is that it is very evident that there are some ppl playing games still........I think maybe the "old ones" are used to it and have learned to ignore........I am not so lucky.......If the subject was not so serious maybe I could ignore it to.......but as things are I do not know how some ppl can sleep at night.


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Ricky80

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Tamoose,

Why did I do this? Why is anyone here? I am interested in the Zodiac case and Jack Tarrance is an interesting POI.

Feel free to question my analysis, that is why I posted it. It is my analysis and my opinion. It is posted for people to agree with or disagree with as they please.

Unlike Barto, I am making no extravagant claim. I simply provided my analysis, and my opinion that the analysis lends moderate support to the proposition that Jack Tarrance did not author the Zodiac documents. In doing so, it was necessary to counter some of the wilder claims made by Ms. Barto. What I did not do, however, was claim that my work eliminates Mr. Tarrance as the Zodiac Killer.

You might want to go look at your position on people questioning others qualifications Tamoose. Bi-polar much?

p.s. I don't have to take my analysis to the FBI, they already know what I know.

Rick

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I do agree with Rickys anylasis of the bomb diagrams they are nothing special I have seen parts of them many times in electrical schematics and logic circuits........I would have drawn them much the way that z did if I had been so inclined.
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Ricky, I have a fairly good idea who you are now. When you say the FBI has dismissed the claims that the zodiac letters have been altered, that tells me that you absolutely do not know what is going on. The FBI has in fact confirmed to me that the zodiac letters have been altered, and they are in the process of building criminal cases against several different people for "obstruction of justice" This is why the ending to this case has been delayed.
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Jon,

I still have no idea who Sad Badge is. I was shown a letter on another website, now commonly referred to as the cheese letter, some time ago with information that Ms. Barto was of the opinion that it was a valid Zodiac document. When she attacked my ability I childishly responded with a reference to a line in that letter, a comment about its validity and a snark about her own competence. I later apologized for it. I do not know the true origin of letter, nor do I remember who actually posted it originally, though I do still have a copy of it myself.

My comment about Sad Badge plagiarizing Mikado was posted well after Ms. Barto posted the text of his e-mail to her and the time stamps on the posts was proof of it. Because both she and you accused me of being Sad Badge again I sent her a lengthy PM showing the time stamps and why I was not Sad Badge. She then deleted her accusatory post, though I did not receive an apology.

My question to catseye still remains valid, and was a very minor blip on the radar at the time. I doubt it had anything to do with Sad Badge mentioning her.

As for the "a". Your point assumes that the "a" actually changed. It did not. It has nothing to do with resizing, that argument was a straw man that Ms. Barto created. The apparent change to the lower case "a" comes from artifacts left by older reproduction methods. Don't you wonder why the difference only shows up in some of them and not all? It is because none of them was altered. There is some pretty good OCR software out there that breaks individual characters down to 1024bit feature vectors. They provide pretty convincing proof that the "a" has not been altered.

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Mr. Kaufman,

You have absolutely no idea who I am.

There is an ongoing investigation into falsified evidence, but it has nothing to do with claimed alterations that you and Nanette Barto have made.

Rick
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Ricky80,

You have posted some very intriguing information. What is your experience and background?

Update June 29 - After search an old thread I saw a post of your background.
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The FBI has already confirmed to me that Nanette was correct in her findings...



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The FBI has in fact confirmed to me that the zodiac letters have been altered, and they are in the process of building criminal cases against several different people for "obstruction of justice" This is why the ending to this case has been delayed.



Oh wow! I'm speechless! Not that I didn't believe it would turn out this way, I did but, the way it came out. Whoomp, there it is.

Wow.

Dennis, you do realize that every ninny is going to crawl out of the woodwork now and harass you about those statements, until the FBI makes their official announcement.

Not that you didn't already expect that, I'm just saying.

Wait and see I guess.

Wow!!!
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ditto Barman..........I would have advised him against those statements as well...........Dennis its got to be hard to go around biting your tounge all the time.....some of us out here can read between the lines and have strong feelings about what is going on of course it is all conjecture on our part but plz take some comfort that we have good reason to believe you and see good reasons for keeping your mouth shut......the doubters will doubt that is what they do
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Ricky........very good rational answers you are either telling the truth or are very good at lying........I would say that maybe you are a victom of the game players and a few unlucky coincidinces except that both you and Dennis claim to know what is going on as regards to the FBI investigation.......there is no choice except that one of you is lying and I am believing Dennis at this point.......apply Ocums razor and JT = z is the simplest thing with the info I have........I am doing this on the internet and making huge assumptions that the evidence I have been presented with is real..........but that is all I have to go on.........a 6 month investigative trip to san fran is out of the question..........sorry
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Ricky, not Bi polar here...I know what I have posted...

Mr. Kaufman,

You have absolutely no idea who I am.

There is an ongoing investigation into falsified evidence, but it has nothing to do with claimed alterations that you and Nanette Barto have made.

Rick


It must be very easy to just hop onto a message board, talk big, brag about how good you are at whatever it is you do, use big words and long explanations....Not impressed here Ricky..
You also do this incognito...like I asked before; who are you Ricky??? You come here and play games with this investigation, claim you know what is happeniong with the FBI, dispute what Dennis knows, and you do it all as "A mystery Man"...How easy, how convenient...I think it's a crock....It's just too easy to do what your doing...Reveal yourself and then you may gain my attention and respect, until then, forget it, your wasting your breath.....Your just another Sad Badge blowing sunshine up somebody's skirt!...
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No offense, but I doubt Ricky80 really cares if you or anyone else respects him. He has his opinions and conclusions, and has invited people to respond to his analysis. I don't see what good calling him out and insisting he reveal his name is going to do. Either his points make sense to you or they don't. Why is everyone so paranoid? Has it always been like this?
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