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Sweetcheeks

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I received this email this evening from the linguistic specialist I submitted Jack and Z's handwriting to. These are preliminary findings. I have many more letters to submit, and as he indicated this job is going to be gynormous! :)

Enjoy as I did, in what we already knew!


Hi Nanette,

I read the Zodiac/Jack stuff. I can see how a handwriting expert would have a field day with it. The "apples to apples" comparison between Zodiac and Jack would be Jack's reports when he was a rent-a-cop. One gets the same kind of register, and when one reads these rent-a-cop reports, one is reminded of the Zodiac's letters somewhat.What those letters/reports have in common is a kind of broken formal register.....it screams "lower middle class hypercorrection" with fussy phrases such as "as to how" and "as of yet" "it may happen that" (all Zodiac).

I did find an instance of a rather unsual construction used both by Zodiac and Jack. Talking about Sandra jackson in a report as a rent-a-cop, Jack---in CD3 says,

"I and other Sgts have had several discussions"

The Zodiac used this unusual "I and (noun phrase)" construction and I made note of it, but I forgot where it is (I just spent30 minutes trying to find it again! Darn me for not noting where I saw it the first time around). It doesn't "prove" anything, of course, but it is an example of the kind of fussy, hypercorrect usage that Jack as rent-a-cop and Zodiac both displayed.

We have a person writing in 1969-1971 compared to a man writing in the mid 1980s. The former is practically defining the cocky "catch-me-if-you-can" genre, and the latter is writing in obliging "cop talk." If this is an apple to apple comparison, we're talking about a Red Delicious with a Winesap (or whatever).

The spellings and capitalizations could be studied in far greater detail. This is where our disciplines overlap. I would analyze the entire corpus of Zodiac letters and Jack letters---this would be a huge undertaking---and look for variation between upper case and lower case forms....the linguistic part of it would be to try to ascertain the de facto writing rules that Zodiac and Jack used to determine whether they penned a cap or a lower case letter. There would also be the questions of what KIND of cap / lower case letter they used (more your turf than mine perhaps), and if the ranges of variation matched up, then one would have something to go on....between a crazed 40 something killer and a 60 something rent-a-cop.

Jack wrote something that, alone, provided a bit of counterevidence. He wrote in "Jack Tarrance originals", page 6, "She don't drive" I never saw Zodiac use this vernacular 3rd person singular variant. Then again, I never read Jack write this way in his rent-a-cop reports. This little bit of variation spooked me. However, seeing that Jack was writing a personal letter, we have a different genre, a different "register" as we say, and variation of 3rd person singular is sensitive to this (somewhat).

Well, that's all I have for now. I'm really upset because foxes came by in the middle of the day and killed all 9 of my young hens (the older two and the rooster survived...it was quite comical...he was baiting the fox away....I ran out with a shotgun...have it loaded next to me..grrrrr darned foxes!!!

I wish I could find where the Zodiac wrote "I and......." Rats!

John

Wow! Pretty amazing this linguistic stuff!!!!!

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Yes there is the same baseline reference in both writings in relation to the f's. They consistently end beneath the middle zone letters, I.e., a,c,e,n and so forth. Nice catch Bruyoc! :)
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Yes there is the same baseline reference in both writings in relation to the f's. They consistently end beneath the middle zone letters, I.e., a,c,e,n and so forth. Nice catch Bruyoc! :)
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If you email me I can send it to you! Do you have excel? Eyefortheobvious@yahoo.com
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If you email me I can send it to you! Do you have excel? Eyefortheobvious@yahoo.com
Thanks, but I don't have excel.


I sent you my initial stuff that was on a word document! Enjoy! :)

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Bruyoc,

My analysis is still a work in progress. I am revisiting my initial comparisons using the new, high quality versions that are now available, and it is taking me a little longer than I had expected. When I am done, I will try to post a summary here on the board, but the report is already much too large to post. The report is currently 22 pages long and only about 60% complete. I am not certain exactly how I will make it available, but I will figure something out.

Rick
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Bruyoc, the reason why you couldn't get Ricky80 post might be due to the Foul Foes messing with this board. Other people have noted things ary when trying to post....Tamoose53 says post in SadBadge thread got on after it was locked (now unlocked). Anyway, Sweetcheeks, congrats on your endeavors while you burn the candle at both ends and in the middle (kids, school, Jack's cases, etc). Your young enough, so keep on going! The finished process is worth the wait!

Edited 2:07PM GMT Is anybody else experiencing suspicious emails, sudden spam passing through spam blockers? I just deleted a couple dozen spam 2 days ago that got through my security and spam blockers. I haven't had this problem in years! Are you TechnoWeenies trying to hack my PC? If so, will forward it to the authorities!

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Sweetcheeks, I haven't seen all of what you posted on the main page but after seeing comments on this board regarding the Cheese Letter and the Halloween "By KASE" addition to that card scan which has dots over the "A" in KASE, didn't Zodiac put dots over what he had written, esp, a misplaced "i" dot or a "j" dot like Jack did? Correct me if I am wrong but one of the original Z letters that was in Graysmiths first edition Zodiac had dots over one or more words almost as-if he was tapping the pen as he carefully thought out was he was trying to spell and say, if I recall right. I hope that this is helpful in your examinations comparing Jack to Zodiac.
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Ricky80, are you the linguist specialist working on the handwriting or another expert working on a 2nd opinion regarding Jacks handwriting? Sorry if I missed what your reason for being here is, was busy last weekend, so I should read your posts, again. That said, over the years I looked at the letters from an amatuer linguists point of view trying to understand the spelling & phrases and thought that the person who wrote the letters might be with Texas and Northwest ties as maybe he was from the south, might be spelling phonetically as-if had a southern drawl. Also, words like "evere" ('if they're evere going to catch me') might be from someone exposed to forms of french and there are Texan Cajuns as well as people in Washington State with Canadian French exposure. Just thought I would add some of what I theorized over the years and I hope it helps the linguists on these Jack letters as well as Sweetcheeks and other Document Examiners on these cases.
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It appears my analysis is now OBE. Although there appears to be little reason for a second opinion now, I will post parts of it.

Catseye,

Sorry for not answering. No I am not the linguist Ms. Barto worked with. I would also question the validity of this linguist to begin with. Linguists typically work with spoken language, not written. Recordings of Jack Tarrance speaking is readily available on this website, why would a linguist ignore the opportunity to comment on his actual use of the spoken word? Second, this linguist made an obvious mistake him his definition of hyper-correction, any linguist worth his salt would know what it is and it is absolutely not what he defined it as.
What follows are excerpts from my report:

2.3 A review of Nanette Barto’s handwriting comparison.

On May 20, 2009 Dennis Kaufman announced that a court qualified questioned document examiner had confirmed a match between the handwriting of Jack Tarrance and the Zodiac Killer. This self professed QDE, Nanette Barto, provided two files, posted to Kaufman’s website, in support of her opinion.

Barto’s report consisted of a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet titled EZcourtprepworksheet, showing 52 comparisons, and a Microsoft Word document titled NB50-3-11-Zodiac-Jack Tarrance Report, that contains a short background statement, her 7 point opinion and 48 short summary statements of her comparisons shown on the spreadsheet.

Addressed here, in the order they appear in her opinion, is my analysis of her comparison and my opinion based on my independent comparisons. Box # references are to Barto’s spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is attached without permission, as an appendix to this report.

Box #1, both authors use a cursive lower case Q in the middle of hand printing.


Barto provides 5 exemplars from Jack and 6 from Zodiac. Both use a cursive style lower case q presumably in printed writing (though this is unclear due to the cropping). Jack terminates his q after crossing the down stroke just below the head. Zodiac terminates the q at the point where the down stroke meets the head, as if he were drawing a crooked 8, in 5 of the 6 exemplars and in the 6th he terminates much lower and with virtually no loop.

Box #2, 3, 4, and 5 both authors show a unique th both in connection strokes and letter formation in their hand printing. There are tick marks at the bottom of the h; it also has a hard left slant on the right side of the hump, and a stem that hovers over to the right.

Five exemplars are presented from Jack and 6 from Zodiac. These exemplars are all of a capital T followed by a lower case h. In every Zodiac exemplar the cross bar of the capital T terminates at or just after, but always touching, the top of the h. Of the 5 Jack exemplars only 1 follows this pattern with the rest terminating at or just before the h and below the top of the h.

The angles of the T and H in all but one Jack exemplar are different, with T standing straight or very slightly forward with H slanted forward aggressively. The angles of the T and H in every Zodiac exemplar are parallel.

Box #6, h’s that carry the same traits as listed in the th connections above.

Same as above.

Box #7, ss construction is within natural variation.

Natural variation describes consistency within a given sample and accounts for imprecision of the motor memories as they are executed on repeated occasions. For Barto to say that the ss construction is within natural variation with no other analysis is to presuppose that the authors are indeed the same, a conclusion that should not be considered until the analysis is complete.

Overall construction appears quite different. Tarrance’s entry and terminal strokes tend to be more horizontal, forming a very traditional printed s. Zodiac only forms the s in this manner in one example. In all other examples the entry and terminal strokes are more vertical forming the atypical lighting bolt s.


Box #8, b’s that are formed with one stroke and are at the same slant with the same ending disposition by both authors.

In all 7 Jack exemplars, the entry stroke is followed by an upstroke that follows the initial stroke up approximately one third of the stroke before it separates to form the b. Five of those exemplars end the stroke at the bottom of the entry stroke.

In 5 of the 8 Zodiac exemplars (all apparently from the Citizen Letter of May 1974) the upstroke to form the bulge of the B does not trace up the down stroke, rather it angles away and does not close or closes the loop up the loop from the bottom of the down stroke. The remaining 3 exemplars are actually much more representative of Zodiacs b construction as shown in my own analysis earlier in this document. In fact it shows quite clearly that Zodiac formed his typical b with 2 separate strokes and not 1 as claimed by Barto.

Box #9, cursive writing found on the envelope to Riverside K24, shows a disconnection from the ending letter d; this is consistent with all of Jack’s cursive writing.

In fact it is completely inconsistent with Jack’s cursive d. The Jack exemplars provided all start the d with a downward stroke, suggesting that the author lifted the pen to start the d similar to a printed d construction rather than cursive. The Riverside exemplar, not a definitive Zodiac document in my opinion, begins with an upward stroke suggesting a writer who lifted the pen but continued a normal “i” to “d” cursive stroke.


Box #10, here you will see the number 2 executed by both authors; they contain a tick mark at the top of the entrance stroke, and the exit stroke is consistent.

This is a speculative leap of faith at best, based on a single exemplar. The tick on the Jack exemplar is a looped construction, while the Zodiac exemplar is a single straight-line tick and isn’t even clearly a part of the entrance stroke at all. The exit stroke of the Zodiac exemplar is not clear enough to make any determination.

Box #11, these are power source symbols used in both the bus bombing diagram and many of the diagrams I found of Jack’s.

I found several thousand matches to this symbol in five seconds with google. I believe she is attempting to justify her determination that Jack and Zodiac shared a gestalt in writing. I choose not to address her graphology-based opinions here for reasons I outlined in the introduction to this report.

Box #12, the Bat on the diagrams of both signifying battery.

This is arguably the most common abbreviation for battery. This appears to be another attempt at showing that Jack and Zodiac wrote about the same things, rather than an analysis of the allograph construction.

Box #13, letter k by both authors match in form, and slant is consistent with buckle and stem.

It is interesting that Barto presents only 2 Tarrance and 3 Zodiac exemplars here in her comparison and then later presents 11 Tarrance and 5 Zodiac exemplars for a separate comparison.

Zodiac’s first letter contains 6 exemplars on the first page alone. His k is consistent in construction throughout his handwriting as a three-stroke character. Zodiac only deviated from this to form his two stroke K inside his ciphers.

Aside from Tarrance curved construction of his K, his construction is within the construction of a larger allograph, while Zodiac is constructing a stand-alone character, where characteristics caused by entry from a preceding character and exit to a following character would not exist.

Box # 14, 15, and 16, letter is consistent in form and slant; also, there are noticeable ticks marks on the bottom and the tops of the stems of each author.

Although the form, slant and tick marks appear similar, this is hardly a good analysis. Lets go back to natural variance here. There will always be small differences in a persons writing, but typically when common combination are made, the differences will be minimized. This is not the case between the double f exemplars presented here. One would expect that if Jack and Zodiac were the same author, that these double ff exemplars would be indistinguishable by the amateur.

A deeper look at the consistency of the f’s as they either precede a vowel or follow one, we see dramatic differences between the authors spacing and the height of the cross bar. These differences definitely do not fall within natural variance.

Box #17, L’s are executed at a slant it creates a v shape point in the bottom left corner of the L.

Most of the Jack exemplars have a strange hump in the exit stroke that none of the Zodiac exemplars has.

Box #18, G’s these are the curly version of Jack’s that match the one in K26 and the G’s made in the ciphers.

Only 1 exemplar of Jack matches the Zodiac exemplars. All of the other Jack Gs entrance stroke starts down and loops back around and exits in a down stroke. Zodiacs entrance stroke generally starts up and does not create a loop and exits to the right.

The capital G is the most distinctive letter in determining individuality of handwriting. The lack of a match here speaks volumes.

Box #19, lower case g’s are formed with same single stroke motion and have identical slants.

All of the Jack exemplars are created with a single stroke, the exit stroke terminating in a straight stem much like the number 9. The Zodiac exemplars on the other hand are also formed of a single stroke, but exit with a gentle curve on the stem like a classic printed lower case g.

Box #20, cursive r’s as shown in the Riverside letter K24, they have the same slant.

The authorship of the Riverside letter is not certain, therefore it cannot be used in any honest comparison.

Box #21, shows the circle in both authors diagrams, the ending stroke is consistent.

This is perhaps the least useful comparison that I found, and has almost no value at all in a comparison of handwriting.

Box #22, show the use of large and rounded capital letters that Jack forms in cursive. This variation of writing is connected to K24.

The authorship of the Riverside letter is not certain, therefore it cannot be used in any honest comparison.

Box # 23, Capital B’s are made with a smaller bottom bowl and larger upper bowl.

The capital B’s are quite dissimilar. Zodiac consistently begins the terminal stroke of his capital B at the beginning of the entry stroke of the stem. Tarrance consistently begins his terminal stroke will above the top of the stem.

Box #24, the construction of the M’s are done in several strokes by both authors.

The exemplars presented are the most atypical of Zodiac’s capital M. Even with this obviously dishonest omission, there is very little in the construction of these characters that are similar. Zodiac’s very straight entry strokes contrast dramatically against Tarrance’s curved entry and exit.

Box #25, K’s done by both authors are a match is stroke, formation and slant. As found in
ciphers.

An intra-sample comparison of Zodiac writing indicates that allograph construction in his ciphers are quite different from and in no way representative of his handwriting. Even so, the exemplars presented are again, quite dissimilar. As usual Mr. Tarrance brings a great deal of curve to his stroke, that does not exist in Zodiac writing.


Ms. Barto's report continues to present approximately 20 more "comparisons", none of which are any more convincing that the previous 25. I can provide my analysis of those as well, but I suppose people's eyes are bleeding already from this marathon of a post.

Based on my analysis my opinion is that there is sufficient evidence that Jack Tarrance did not author the Zodiac documents. This, however, does not exclude Mr. Tarrance as the perpetrator of the Zodiac crimes.

Rick
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Very interesting work, Ricky.

One question, did you take into consideration that Z seemed to disguise his handwriting at the beginning of the letters, and fell back into his natural handwriting near the end of them, or are you basing your results on the entire body of the Z letters, including the disguised handwriting?

I'm not discounting your work, just trying to understand what you based it on. Thanks.
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Barman,
One thing that I have noted before is that maybe Z sometimes wrote half the letter, took a break, then finished after more thought.

Some writings appear to me that Z may have been laying on his back writing holding the paper on a makeshift clipboard?

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Ricky80, how convenient it is for you to come on here with your findings after Nanette Barto is gone. I can tell you that Nanette Barto is very good at her work, it is her controlling attitude that is the problem. The FBI has already confirmed to me that Nanette was correct in her findings, so nice try but it isn't going to fly. You actually sound like Bart Baggot.

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Ricky80, how convenient it is for you to come on here with your findings after Nanette Barto is gone. I can tell you that Nanette Barto is very good at her work, it is her controlling attitude that is the problem. The FBI has already confirmed to me that Nanette was correct in her findings, so nice try but it isn't going to fly. You actually sound like Bart Baggot.

Dennis, now that is one huge piece of info!

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Wow, Ricky80, that was a big post but I have to side with Link, Dennis, BARman on this one as for one thing, most of the findings were done with those Voigt scans but I believe that there were some originals, used, too that we have not seen online (MMs? and 1 or 2 others? Rumors of originals out there!). Anyway, Link, love your observation. In the originals I seen reproduced in Graysmith's first edition Zodiac, it looked as if writer pondered and paused while writing, thus, tapping the pen a few times before the next sentence and then there is a stroke while pausing, too? Ugh, I will have to dig out what I got packed away from 1995. Anyway, these pauses aren't seen in alot of the scans, if I recall correctly. Well, I see the Z cases are wrapping up, so, I don't plan on posting too much BUT, I can change my mind! LOL!
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