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Tamoose53

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A few of the really obvious things I noticed were the "N's" and how Jack formed his. Sweetcheeks I saw you pointing that out on one of the CBS13 reports,(if I'm not mistaken). The way he starts the "N" it almost looks like a "W". Is this a very tell tale sign in Jacks/Zodiacs writing that is extremely unique and rare??

The writing on the Checks looks sooo similar to Zodiac's writing.

Question; from analyzing one persons Cursive versus his Printing, can you find commonalities in each that you can identify as the same author?? ( I hope my question makes sense!!) I noticed that sample of Jacks writings are written in Cursive and if I'm not mistaken, the Zodiac author always printed. Again,i hope my questions and comments make sense!
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Yes Tamoose, I believe the N being a W is Jack's smoking gun. I never thought the "a" was, but seeings how it was there in the beginning I will take it. This 4 stroke "w" that is really an "n" can be found several times in the Z letters and yes it is unique for someone to execute.

You are suppose to compare handprinting to handprinting and cursive to cursive; however, if you notice in Jack's cursive he rarely ever connects his d's at the end of the word to a connection stroke. it is usually disconnected from the rest of the word. This is fair game to match to the printed d's in the Zodiac writing as the from is identical and not connected by a connection stroke either.

Bruyoc, nice catch on the Red Phantom writing, I had originally seperated that from the Zodiac letters as an overall different gestalt, but after thouroughly examing all of Jack's writing I found I could put it back in the mix of within natural variation for Jack to have been the Red Phantom as well. I believe if I am not mistaken that is a burnt envelope of car parts correct? If not then find that one and you will see the C's and G'c that remind you of the C in Count on the Red Phantom letter. It's all there, every style Jack used so did Z. Because they are one and the same.

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Thanks Sweetcheeks, you da Bomb!
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You are welcome! Now this is the stuff I love!
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Discussing handwriting that is! LOL After I posted and read I giggled, as if the pat on the back was what I loved, but don't get me wrong I do love it too.
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But what about the a's? The ones in the letters on the first page is completely different from the ones in the Z letters. Sure there is an explenation to this.

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But what about the a's? The ones in the letters on the first page is completely different from the ones in the Z letters. Sure there is an explenation to this.

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The a's have been the controversy Dennis and I have been trying to uncover.

Zodiac prided himself in remaining anonymous and that included his writing. The a's would be the first thing to go in disguised handwriting. But, the theory is that even in anttempt to disguise he would have gotten tired and subconsciously left this a behind somewhere.

Initially it had myself and the FBI boggled that everything was there except even an instance fo this a. After discovering that the letters were not original scans as told by TV, is when we figured out that Jack actually left his a behind several times.

You can actually see other variances of the a. Jack in his own writing would form the a with a high backside stem that stood taller than the bowl of the a, yet didn't create the bell shape over the top, it just stops straight up and not to the left. You will see these at the ends of Jack's writing as he becomes lazy and doesn't complete the top of the a. I think the a was something Jack loved but wasn't necessarily his true a.

Jack actually has about 4-6 different "a" styles altogether.

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But what about the a's? The ones in the letters on the first page is completely different from the ones in the Z letters. Sure there is an explenation to this.

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The a's have been the controversy Dennis and I have been trying to uncover.

Zodiac prided himself in remaining anonymous and that included his writing. The a's would be the first thing to go in disguised handwriting. But, the theory is that even in anttempt to disguise he would have gotten tired and subconsciously left this a behind somewhere.

Initially it had myself and the FBI boggled that everything was there except even an instance fo this a. After discovering that the letters were not original scans as told by TV, is when we figured out that Jack actually left his a behind several times.

You can actually see other variances of the a. Jack in his own writing would form the a with a high backside stem that stood taller than the bowl of the a, yet didn't create the bell shape over the top, it just stops straight up and not to the left. You will see these at the ends of Jack's writing as he becomes lazy and doesn't complete the top of the a. I think the a was something Jack loved but wasn't necessarily his true a.

Jack actually has about 4-6 different "a" styles altogether.


The r's in the Z letters was adorned in the Graysmith book as being what they call the check mark "r". As there is generally a very small stem on the left of the r. Making in appear more like a check mark.

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SC, so the a Jack uses, in his handwriting, (samples) is his normal a? Couldn't it be the other way and his Zodiac letters are his real a's? I guess Dennis don't have any pre-Zodiac hand writing samples? Thanks


Yes there is writing pre Zodiac, from his time at GE these are the diagrams and other such writings.

I do believe we all learn to write our a's a particular way and that is our habit. We do sometimes make asthetic changes in our writing as we mature. But, I believe the normal a is what we all grew up learning.

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SC, the a's interest me and to me are NOT something that would exclude Jack from being Z (in my obviously non forensic handwriting specialist opinion).

I, too write my A's both ways depending on my mood. I love calligraphy and have practiced it at various points in time in my life. So sometimes I write the calligraphy style a....but that seems time consuming so if I am just doing everyday writing or in a hurry I will write a regular a.

I agree that because Jack did this in his regular writing, when he wrote as Z that would be one of the big things he would try to disguise (IMO).

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SC, in my unprofessional opinion, the new handwriting samples on the home page is big evidence.


I believe Z is an individual match to only one person and that is Jack Tarrance.

And, I would like to see his handwriting go all over for everyone to see. Then SFPD, DP, TV, everyone for that matter can no longer deny the families justice.

Thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it! :)

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Sweetcheeks

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You are right on so many points Rocker! The bell top a is time consuming and a dead give away for anyone who uses it. That is why I believe the 4 stroke lower case n is Jack's smoking gun. He couldn't help this one as it was the flow of his writing that caused him to do this.

How you exit one letter and enter another is also a personal habit and usually unique between each author. :)

Thanks for your input!

Has anyone heard from Ricky80 he asked for this info and now he's the only one I don't hear from?

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I am here. But I am not rushing to any judgments here. Now that I have a few good examples of Mr. Tarrance's writing, I am looking at them very closely. I am on the fence about the issue of Mr. Tarrance lower case "a". Although it is very distinct, it is also one of the characters that has the least amount of discriminative power in discerning individuality in handwriting. But it is just one of many things to examine. I am also in the middle of a busy time in my day job, so it may take me a while.

One thing I would like to say to the other amateurs here, is be careful not to convince yourself based on a couple characters looking similar and that one dissimilarity is proof of an attempt on the author's part to disguise handwriting. As Mrs. Barto has said, character connections give away a lot more than allograph construction because they show the flow. It takes very little effort to change your character construction, but it takes extraordinary amounts of effort to overcome the motor memories that control the flow of your handwriting.

I thank you and Mr. Kaufman again for sharing Mr. Tarrance's handwriting samples. I hope to complete my examination of them this week and start revising my report, if needed this week end.

Rick
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Very good! Just thought I'd see if you are still out there! Thanks for the post! :)
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From the letters, it appears Jack simply swapped his printed bell "a"s with his cursive "a"s.

Rocker - I hear you. I began purposely crossing my "z"s and "7"s some years back and find it easy to shift between both styles. In my opinion, this small change with the "a"s in conjunction with a ton of manic energy (very visible in some of the checks) created the classic Z style.
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