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JCloser

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Weeza, if your intentions are to play word games then maybe this ain't the place for you. The point is not whether or not "he" has the right to ban anyone, the point is open dialog and the search for the truth. Clearly your "friend" banned anyone who had a different opinion than the "Master" or his "Drones" The intent of that site was never open dialog or the search for the truth. Your slick manipulation in attempting to turn this issue into a legal one already sours me on your intentions here. Why come now? Everyone over there has known about Jack for years, anyone who brought up his name was attack and or banned. I would like to believe you have good intentions here, but from your attitude seems to already convey your true intentions. Again, maybe you should go back to your Pay Pal site!
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mrsweeza

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Weeza, if your intentions are to play word games then maybe this ain't the place for you. The point is not whether or not "he" has the right to ban anyone, the point is open dialog and the search for the truth. Clearly your "friend" banned anyone who had a different opinion than the "Master" or his "Drones" The intent of that site was never open dialog or the search for the truth. Your slick manipulation in attempting to turn this issue into a legal one already sours me on your intentions here. Why come now? Everyone over there has known about Jack for years, anyone who brought up his name was attack and or banned. I would like to believe you have good intentions here, but from your attitude seems to already convey your true intentions. Again, maybe you should go back to your Pay Pal site!


When did I ever...and please dig through his site and this one, EVER disparage dennis or his claims? I haven't. I just pointed out that there is no censorship.*edited to add, no censorship on the other site*
I welcome debate, and have never had an attitude. I was just simply correcting that there should be no belief that laws were broken by not being on a website.
I OPENLY disagree with Tom.
As for slick manipulations, huh? I simply stated there was no cause for thinking any legality of internet use had been breached. I even thanked your webmaster for a lively topic.
Please show me where I was rude.
mrsweeza

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I'll be happy to leave if Dennis wants me off his site. I came here because of the news, and wanted more information on the hood and it's embroidery etc.
I thought perhaps an open dialogue was good.
DiamondD

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Weeza, try to understand, from day one this site has been visited by a few "suspect" posters, attempting to disrupt open, nonjudgemental, unbiased dialogue. People here are a little sensitive. if your intentions are honorable, welcome. If they are less than that, goodbye. The rest is up to you...
Alfie

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TV is going to be like that everlasting hemorrhoid, just when you think you have it under control it flares up and causes more problems than before. I know it's been said before but paying to post on a forum is just plain ignorant. I belong to many many forums and I have yet to pay for one. Why I'm I going to pay to type on my computer to someone half wit con-artist that can't see the truth if it smacked in the face. Yes I am the new guy but I started doing my own research and I find this site ALOT more appealing then the other. Just my .02!!
Karma

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Someone going by the name "unsub" comes into the chat room, calls Dennis a fraud, advertises their own message board and gets very nasty with anyone who calls him on it.

I don't know if it's Tom or just one of his groupies but if you're in the chat room and he comes in be prepared.

He starts out "when did you first hear about Dennis Kaufman?"

then he goes into the old "he tried to sell a piece of paul stines shirt for $50,000" spiel.

It's probably tom, but even if it's not, the guy just comes in to stir stuff up in the chat room.

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cruz

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He's deff. not Tom. He's against Tom's so called ''new suspect''(like every other sane person out there) and his board is the real deal that isn't exactly bashing Dennis's hood or anything, just stating what they believe is going on or going to happen without getting the boot. This place is great too, but unsub's board is with more mixed people(as in they all have different opinions on Gyke,Kauffman, etc.) and they dont argue with one another, just debate pretty much.
wd707

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Ok this is my first time posting here. People might call me a troll or whatever but that's not what I am. I see both sides of the field in the realm of zodiac boards...


First a lot of things I have saw (mostly on tom's board) have made it look like dennis is a fake or a fraud. I have also seen other stuff that I think dennis adds that doesn't add up to his dad being the zodiac. Not saying that I think dennis is a fraud but I think even if he is right, he doctors up a few things, like the radian his book, and his emails to different people and other little things.

But at the same time I thought toms board is VERY VERY good great information easy to find a lot of people talking about the case, very knowledgable. But recently I have noticed tom gets very picky and starts wanting to run the board with power. That's the one thing I dont like about tom's board. Apparently I was kicked off his board because of this board.. I went into the chat room and asked tom (because I was unaware) I asked him about him going to jail or whatever because I noticed it on a site (this one) and immidiately I was banned. Mind you I been on that board for about 2 or so years, no problems no nothing. I email him to straigten things out, because I wanted him to clear his name if he was wrong. Yet he calls me a problem maker and says that I starting rumors?


I don't know what to say, I miss that board because a few of those guys are very good suspects but I can't see the board because I'm banned.


Any ways I look forward to this board and hopefully there will be a lot more traffic since I'm use to tom's board. The reason I'm interested in this case is because not only did I grow up in vallejo but my best friends aunt was killed by the zodiac (darlene) so hopefully we figure something out.
rrand

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Hmm. I don't think Dennis ever deleted anybody for asking questions. I wonder which one of them has something to hide.

If you're going to bring up things that in your mind discredits Dennis, why not bring them into the light so that we can take a good objective look at them? That is, if they haven't already been brought up here.

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wd707

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I don't want to sound negative or even like im jumping on the dennis bandwagon. I'm just very interested in the case. I remember hearing a lot of things that have nothing to do with the case, I can't remember off the top of my head and a bunch of the stuff came from other boards or things I read. I mean of course people are going to be wrong but some of the stuff was a complete lie.

Like saying his mom was murdered by jack? I know tom got a copy of the birth certificate and IT EARLY doesn't state homocide. It was some kind of illness so thats one, another was the radian theory, another was selling the stine shirt, another was saying he has all this evidence previous to this but not turning it in. I remember reading this board or another one, that people didn't get the book dennis said he was selling?? Not sure what happend to that. Also other small little things. But either way I could care less. I just want the zodiac caught.


Just because this case has went on so long and had so many good suspects I woudl say most likely jack is not the zodiac. But I would be happy if he was. I remember reading about a year or so about jack. I read some stuff on the tom board and it clearly dismissed jack, but I still researched some stuff and some stuff looks good, but some stuff doesn't

Either way i hope you guys post more and all I'm going to say now is that if the dna comes back negative I will not believe dennis anymore. NOt that I don't believe or believe him now. But if after all his claims and stuff and it turns out not to be his dad I would hope he would give up on his dad and maybe focus his attention to another suspect or something. Just Like I will and you guys should. BUt if it turns out to be jack I will gladly come here and praise dennis as well as the people that backed him.. I just hope we find out who the zodiac was.
rrand

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>> Like saying his mom was murdered by jack? I know tom got a copy of the birth certificate and IT EARLY doesn't state homocide. It was some kind of illness so thats one...

No need to go to Tom. Dennis posted it on the front of his site. Death Certificate There's nothing on there I can find about an illness.

I really don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk but are you honestly suggesting that Dennis doesn't know that his mother's death has not been ruled a homicide? His mother said that Jack was trying to kill her and he was sorry he didn't believe her. Now she's dead and he believes his step-dad was behind it. The fact that he's convinced his step-dad was the Zodiac made it even more plausible to him. How does this discredit him in any way? Does it make somebody a liar because they believe in something?

And as far as Stein's shirt, it seems like Tom and Dennis had some sort of childish spat going on between each other. It didn't look like a serious offer at all.

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mrsweeza

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I'm confused. The manner of death is not indicated. Cause yes...it lists several factors, but bottom left where it should have a check mark next to "Natural, homicide" etc, nothing is checked. So either that was a preliminary autopsy, or there never was a cause of death determined. Even then the coronor would check the box "Other"


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Originally Posted by Karma
Someone going by the name "unsub" comes into the chat room, calls Dennis a fraud, advertises their own message board and gets very nasty with anyone who calls him on it.

I don't know if it's Tom or just one of his groupies but if you're in the chat room and he comes in be prepared.

He starts out "when did you first hear about Dennis Kaufman?"

then he goes into the old "he tried to sell a piece of paul stines shirt for $50,000" spiel.

It's probably tom, but even if it's not, the guy just comes in to stir stuff up in the chat room.


Hi Karma, you know thats not how it happened. You weren't exactly nice to me that time in chat.

Hey folks, I went to Dennis' chat room and karma starts asking what I think of the new hood. I told her the truth: I don't think Dennis can be trusted because of his prior history. Then Karma questions my motives asking me if I'm obsessed with the zodiac case (I told her I am) and advises me to get a life and to stop coming here if I have nothing posititve to add. I manage to get her to admit that she didn't even know the name Dennis Kaufman a week ago and that she knows nothing about his previous claims. She then calls me a stalker and accuses me of being Tom Voigt before posting a link about his criminal conviction - so I post a link to a message board I set up which would prove to any reasonable person that I am not Tom, but she refuses to read it...

She kept on calling me 'immature' so I decided to profile her and I think I hit a sore point. I shouldn't have done that but she annoyed me with her attitude. All I wanted was a chat about Dennis...

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rrand

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I was there too and you started it. You started calling me a 'kook' the moment you came in. I understand now that you had me mistaken for 'rand' from the other board, but we didn't know that at the time. Yes, I pretty much had you ruled out as Tom Voigt and I let Karma know that after you and I had a private conversation.
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rrand

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[EDIT: I apparently read the death certificate wrong. You can ignore this post. I won't delete it so everyone can see I make errors.]

Back to the Death Certificate. If I'm reading the cert correctly, "Cardio Respiratory Arrest" is stated as the cause for Dennis's mother to go into a coma. She didn't die until a year later. Is it possible Jack could have caused her to go into Cardio Respiratory Arrest?

If you haven't already you might be interested in reading about Dennis's mom's death here, here, and here.

You might be interested in reading this other article where a girl was murdered. Cause of death, Cardio Respiratory Arrest. An excerpt:

“I found out that the cause of death was due to asphyxiation by suffocation or choking to stop passage of air from the nose and mouth, if she died due to the fire, her cause of death should have been carbon monoxide poisoning which is impossible because the autopsy revealed no traces of carbon in her lungs. The victim was already dead for not less than three hours before she was burned”, Dr. Gualdrapa revealed in his affidavit.

These findings of Dr. Gualdrapa was seconded by the PNP Crime Laboratory medico-legal Dr. Angel Cordero, who conducted a separate autopsy on the charred body of the fire victim stressing that the cause of death is cardio respiratory arrest due to shock due to traumatic asphyxia and external application of stimulus.

“Because of these circumstances, we are 100 percent sure that our daughter was killed, and the culprit should be put in jail”, Mary Jean stressed.

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