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dennislkaufman

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Diamond D,

Tom Voigt uses the name (the flying thing) on the IMDB message boards, take a look at what he has to say and let me know if you still want to invite him to this message board.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443706/board/threads/


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For those of you who aren't registered on IMBD, here is one of Voigt's "mature and intelligent comments" (this is in response to Dennis' thread, "The Victims' Families Have A Right To Know Who the Zodiac Killer Was"):

"Dennis is nothing but an ugly, fat, dumb, satan-worshipping, drug-addicted lowlife *beep* scum."

This is typical of Voigt's contributions to this discussion -- name-calling and ridiculing.

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Thanks JoAnne! I'm not registered with IMDB, and probably won't be registering any time soon...

I appreciate your information and updates regarding Zodiac, especially what's being said about Jack, Dennis, and the credible resources that you are able to collaborate!

Sounds to me like Tom has a sick and disgusting personal problem with Dennis...

Is it maybe because if the Zodiac case was solved, Tom would be put out of "business"?

I believe then he might have to get a real job like the rest of us...
"Heaven" forbid...

I guess he would make a good Santa Claus this time of year,
ya know, ringing the bell, since his website seems to promote donating! I'm sure he's found a way to write off all of his proceeds to the cause...but in reality, who knows where the money goes?

Dennis's message board really does offer a place where one may discuss, ponder, and investigate Jack Tarrance without being put-down, slammed, or messed with. Thanks Dennis!

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I would definitely hope and trust that Tom would refrain from derrogatory personal attacking comments and keep his comments to factual healthy debatable posts. I am a huge proponent of healthy heated debate. I really want Tom and Dennis to go head to head in an all out debate over the legitimacy of Dennis's claim. Is this possible or am I dreaming? Can both men remain civil and keep clear of personally attacking eachother, I say yes, they can...
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Diamond D,

I have no interest in wasting my time on Tom Voigt, and it surprises me that you would give him any of your time after what he has done to you. Tom Voigt and his opinion's means absolutely nothing to me.
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point taken ...


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I am sitting here in disbelief. Tom Voigt sent me the following email yesterday:

-----Original Message-----
From: tomvoigt@zodiackiller.com
To: joannemb1@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 8:53 pm

JCloser on Kathleen Johns:
"The police report says that Johns reports that Zodiac had a white T-shirt on."

Please tell me where the report says that:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/JohnsReport.html

Ignorance sure is bliss. Maybe I should try it some time.

Not.
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To which I responded:

----- Original Message -----
From: joannemb1@aol.com
To: tomvoigt@zodiackiller.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:46 AM
Subject: Re:

Why are you asking ME? Ask JCloser. I really wish you wouldn't write to me.
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Now, he has sent me the following:

-----Original Message-----
From: tomvoigt@zodiackiller.com
To: joannemb1@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 3:58 pm
Subject: Re:

I can't ask JCloser, and you apparently aren't interested in knowing he's full of shit.

Quit writing to you? Fuck off, skitzo. Tell you what. As soon as you quit inviting my comments by mentioning me by name on a public website, I'll be glad to stop. Until then, it is YOU who is initiating contact with ME.

You need help.
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For years, Voigt has mentioned DENNIS by name on HIS message board. And he's even slandered ME by name. But because his name has been mentioned here, I'm "inviting" his comments?! "Fuck off, skitzo"??? What did I do to deserve THAT?!

Whenever someone suggests we let this guy post on this message board because he's promised to be civil, please refer back to this email exchange. His belligerent personality does not ALLOW him to be civil, and I for one consider him to be a danger.

His arrest -- and subsequent jail term -- for stalking a woman in 2005 is a prime example. And the stalking started out with abusive and threatening emails, probably similar to the ones he's sent to me. KAKE-TV, the ABC affiliate in Wichita reported the details (unfortunately the video is no longer available, but you can read the story here): Tom Voigt Stalking Report - KAKE-TV.

Oh, and Tom? Please do not misconstrue this as an "invitation" for you to continue harrassing me with your emails. I have blocked you from my email box and I want you to leave me alone!



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Wow, Tom V is a total loser! Man I can't believe how pathetic he is. He obviously is now stalking this board as well. You should have heard him on Coast to Coast. I think it took George Noorey about 1/2 hour of talking to Tom before he caught on to what a loser Tom is. I remember George asking Tom if he had a drinking problem after Tom made his 6th reference to alcohol within a short period of time. Tom was the least impressive person on the show, and quite frankly brought nothing of intellectual value to the program. There was 1 interesting moment, that was when pathetic Tom actually begged George Noorey to let him stay on the show. Tom, you're coming off pretty deranged pal, why don't you just go back to your own board where everyone without a brain thinks you bring something to the table.

PS: I bought your little video, I felt sorry for you since you seemed to be begging for money every chance you get. There was a boat load of references to your Alcohol prowess in the video as well. Here is a tip, time to check into AA and get your act together, maybe then you won't be such a stalking loser! By the way, I also don't want you taking credit for my ideas since you'll find that I'm telling the truth. A loser like you will undoubtedly try to pass others ideas off as their own!


From JCloser.

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No doubt Tom does not follow his own rules from his website...feels he has free reign to say what he wants to other bloggers on other websites but when it comes to his own website he dictates policy... what a piece of work Tom is...I think its pathetic...to harass not only women in your home time but to harrass women online (ie: JoAnne) who disagree with you...probably the best thing to do with Tom is to block him JoAnne or to not answer his harrassing e-mails...attention grabber Tom is...no doubt an insecurity of his always needing attention and when he doesn't get attention he does anything and everything he can to get attention...some people never grow up...Tom if you read this Grow Up abide by your own website rules when blogging on other websites...
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You know, I should not have gotten so hostile. I came home after spending a day with my wife and granddaughter and see that T.V. is calling me "Full of Shit" and attacking me personally. I regret getting so upset. I could be wrong, I'm only human and I'll check my data again, but can't you just say I'm wrong instead of calling me names and attacking me? Where did all that hostility come from, I mean that guys goes from 0 to 100 quicker than a high performance race car. Anyhow, I'll check my data and report back. I wish to apologize to the board, but I do agree to have this guy banned. I just don't see what positive value there is to having abusive behavior on the board. Like I said, I have some different ideas, I do not dedicate my whole life to this case, but I did make some notes through the years. I'll go over my notes and get back to you regarding the shirt. JoAnne, I'm sorry you got the brunt end of the abuse for comments that I made. You are OK in my book!
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Ok so here is what I found. I found reference to John's testimony on Dr. Howard Davis' site. I hope that this ends any further speculations that I just made it up. The following is taken directly from Dr. Davis' site. I could find even more on it, but I simply don't feel that I have to prove anything to TV. I only went searching so that the honest people on this board will know that I write in good faith. Here is a little confirmation of the white shirt.


Kathleen Johns

Zodiac wrote in a letter dated 7/24/70, "So I now have a little list, starting with the woeman (Kathleen Johns) and her baby (Jennifer) that I gave a rather interesting ride for a couple of howers one evening (3/22/70) that ended in my burning her car where I found them".

It was evening and Kathleen Johns and her baby were in route to her mothers, traveling down lonely Highway 132 near Tracy, CA. A man pulled up behind Kathleen and began honking the horn and blinking the headlights. Ms. Johns pulled off the road near Highway 5.

The concerned motorist, who Kathleen describes as wearing a dark jacket, bell bottom pants [U]and a white shirt
, came over to her car and said that her right rear wheel was wobbling and that he would fix it..............[/B]

OK, I think that I proved my point. Now maybe we can continue with real discussion of the case!

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It is my understanding that Voigt is still on probation for his previous stalking offense.

Oregon Stalking Law

Or. Rev. Stat. § 163.732 Stalking.

(1) A person commits the crime of stalking if:

(a) The person knowingly alarms or coerces another person or a member of that person's immediate family or household by engaging in repeated and unwanted contact with the other person;

(b) It is objectively reasonable for a person in the victim's situation to have been alarmed or coerced by the contact; and

(c) The repeated and unwanted contact causes the victim reasonable apprehension regarding the personal safety of the victim or a member of the victim's immediate family or household.

(2)(a) Stalking is a Class A misdemeanor.

(b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this subsection, stalking is a Class C felony if the person has a prior conviction for:

(A) Stalking; or

(B) Violating a court's stalking protective order.

(c) When stalking is a Class C felony pursuant to paragraph (b) of this subsection, stalking shall be classified as a person felony and as crime category 8 of the sentencing guidelines grid of the Oregon Criminal Justice Commission. [1993 c.626 §2; 1995 c.353 §2]"
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HaHa I personally think it's hilarious TV was caught an convicted of stalking, who the heck did he stalk? Anyways guys look most of you on here know that I along with a couple other people have taken TV's best or should I say worst, he is what he is. TV knows the Zodiac case inside out, but that's all he knows. When a board of independent thinkers, people who look at other things other than just the facts get together and exchange idea, he is unable to comprehend, that's not an insult it's just a fact. TV, keep reading, you'll learn, maybe...
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TV, has his own issues over the Zodiac case, he has put years of work out there, to date his site is the best source of information on Zodiac, but it must be hard to swallow after all these years to realize that he and his followers have gotten nowhere, not an insult, a fact. Zodiac is still unsolved, but not for long. Dennis will see to that.
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I agree DiamondD...his site is the best for info. But from what I can gather here (and on other boards), TV isnt open to new ideas...I mean jeez, if the FBI is interested in what Mr. Kaufman is saying about Tarrence, who the hell is he to discredit it?

Thank Mr. Voight for your great informational site...but you wont see me over there drinking the kool aid.
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