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Let's discuss each known Zodiac killing on a case-by-case basis, starting with Cheri Jo Bates. What are some things that you feel connects Jack to this murder?
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Jack was in Riverside when Bates was killed, he was staying with his brother. Jack drove a Studebaker, and fit the description of the man that was seen that night. I also found a knife in Jack's storage that was probably the knife that was used to kill bates, it had a bent and broken tip. This knife was found in the same metal box as all the other evidence. I will post a photo of the knife when I get a chance.


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Jack was in Riverside when Bates was killed.


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How do you know that Jack was in Riveriside when Cherry Jo Bates was killed?
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Why do you think this knife was the one used in the Bates murder? Because it has a bent and broken tip? That is in no way proof that it was used to kill someone. I think your making a rather big assumption without proof to back it up.


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"Billy",

You're right that there is no proof that Jack used the knife in the murder of Cheri Jo Bates -- but I find it odd that Jack placed that knife -- which obviously was of no use to him because of its condition -- into a metal lockbox. The kind of box that people generally use to store important documents/items that they want to protect.


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There has always been a nagging question about something that just didn't "fit" in the Bates case. The killer boasted in the infamous "confession letter" (see image below) that "I PLUNGED THE KNIFE INTO HER AND IT BROKE." However, no knife fragment was found during Cheri Jo's autopsy. The police did an extensive search of the crime scene, and no knife fragment was found there either. Could the knife blade have been bent (i.e. "broke") but remained intact?

According to what I've read, police determined that the murder weapon used in the Bates murder was a SMALL knife with a blade about 3-1/2" long by 1/2" wide.

Dennis, could you please address these two issues? Were you able to photograph the knife before handing it over to police? Or, can you recall if the tip of the knife was "broke" as in bent, or "broke" as in part of it was missing? Also, did the size of the knife blade match what the police had determined (i.e., approximately 3-1/2" long by 1/2" wide)?

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The knife I found in Jack's metal box was 3 1/4 inches long and 1/2 inch wide. The tip is bent with a small piece of it missing. There was some information that was withheld from the public concerning the Bates murder, and some of that withheld information concerned the knife. This is one of the many subjects that will be covered in our documentary.
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Dennis, when can we expect the documentary, this is a must see!
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Hopefully the documentary will be done by early summer if everything goes as planned.


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Okay, so we know that Jack was in Riverside at the time of the Bates killing. No, Dennis doesn't have any "proof" of this. He is relying on what relatives have told him. Dennis and I were talking about this and I don't think it's unusual that Jack didn't leave a paper trail in Riverside. Most of the places I go, I don't have a record of either. Of course these days if you use your debit card to fill your gas tank, or a credit card to make a purchase, THAT is proof. But back then I don't think people relied on plastic as much as they do today.

We also know that Dennis found among Jack's possessions a knife with a blade the same size that police determined was used to inflict the wounds on the body of Cheri Jo Bates. This is something Dennis CAN show us, as he has the knife. Once his power is back up, he's going to take a picture of the knife, scan it and post it here for us to see. We know that the knife was not just "laying around" in Jack's house. Jack had it in a metal lockbox for some reason. Although we don't know for sure what that reason WAS, we CAN deduce that the knife was important to Jack in some way for him to have secured it in the metal lockbox.

Now let's talk about the description of the suspect and see if it matches Jack. Does anyone have info on the description of the suspect at the Bates scene?
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2 weeks after the murder police re-assemble all 65 people who were at the RCC library that were present the night of the Bates murder to re-enact the evening. Per detailed interviews of all 65 people it was determined that 2 people were not present from that evening 1) Cherri Jo Bates & 2) Unknown man. The unknown man was described as a stocky young white man, 5' 11" with a beard. Military boot print size 8 - 10 found at crime scene. Police believed that CJB knew her attacker.
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Here is the knife that was found in the metal box belonging to Jack. There were several other items in this metal box that were found with this knife such as, diagrams, earings, etc...

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I am no expert but this knife appears to be an Imperial, Also I think the handle shape is called a Texas tooth pick. I'm sure the blade is made of carbon steel. Sorry to butt in, I'm only trying to help.

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Also, I would say that the handle is not bone, I think it is composit.
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