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So many valid points posted today, namely the crime scene photo and why would someone have such a photo and a closeup at that? No matter what is slung about here, this photo, any claims of discrediting Dennis, well, nothing changes the focus of the FBI as, like it has been reported for some time now...it's all about the Handwriting and DNA. Honestly, I don't see what the furvor is over Dennis having this photo aired as it truly does seem suspicious. Noel's shoulder still looks like it has a bootprint on it, to me. How or what made that print on his shoulder?? He was drunk or stoned, so, on what substance? He is said to either jumped off or fell off the bridge. Which is it and why? It smells very, fishy. Well, I have left the Noel Shaw issue behind because it seems to be a seperate investigation but, again, this photo and what has come of it still doesn't have any real bearings on Zodiac Killer investigation. Dennis could be made out to be completely discredited....which is nothing new and I am sure he knows how to play that game....but it still doesn't change a thing.
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What we need is someone with LE knowledge that knows for a fact whether or not these negatives/photos would be released.


Off the top of my head (I will talk to a friend of mine next week) I do not think the cops would be breaking any law by giving out these photos..........but most would be very leary about doing such a thing........what if by some chance later on that photo ended up all over the web.
I do not know what kind of LE worked Noels case but take this scenario for instance.
A county sheriff who is an elected official releases some crime scene photos to a family member and later on these photos end up not on one web site but several including a news channel........then when the sheriff comes up for election......his opposition brings all this up and puts a little spin on it........and the county has a new sheriff.
This is just one of the things that could go wrong with releasing photos like that..........and most cops just wouldnt want to do it...........if you asked them why they prob wouldnt have a good answer and tell you it just wasnt a good idea.

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There are 3 other strange things about the whole photo thing.

first cbs13 still has not taken the photos down at least the last time I checked this morning sometime
second they not only gave the family pictures but the negatives as well? Skeptic made a good point about some would want the photos if they thought there was something besides an accident going on..........so apparently somebody did think there where things that didnt add up........thought that enough that just the photos was not enough they felt they needed the negatives as well.

third...........RL does not even mention the photos on his website..........why is that????
This was the big thing he came online to tell everyone........this was the big thing that discredited Dennis.........why has he stepped back from it?............he typed about 4 pages worth and never mentioned Noels photo.

In the end and in any case...............this whole thing is a distraction........Dennis claims never rested on that photo......even if they find nothing in Texas.........the case never rested on that either........I feel the case can and will be proved primarily on the handwriting.........I have felt that way for sometime now and many have tried to dissuade me.........some very nice and some not so much and one or two..........well Trustno1 reminded me what mama taught me so I will leave it at that.

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I tend to think along those lines myself Jon55, I can only see trouble for the LE agency who released them. Also, don't forget that Denise was not married to this man, and certainly wasn't next of kin, pregnant with his child or not, I could see them giving it to a parent, sibling mayyyyybeeee! But not a girlfriend. Look how well she held onto it!


Exactly.........and I had forgot.......this whole thing like much of the case is just so weird

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This kind of play on words, he said she said, or his story doesn't match up is exactly why Dennis and I tire from exhaustion. Amongst life's daily activities were are constantly on the stand testifying to facts and evidence. No matter how many times we address any one situation there is always that one person who comes out of now where asking the same thing all over again!!! It is tiring, being on the defense for mere clues and insight to whom we believe is the Zodiac Killer. People want to tear us down rather than the evidence.

I would looooove it if for once someone came on and said this is why JT can't be the Zodiac......because..................(hypothetically speaking that is) and actually have concrete evidence to support it. I haven't seen one person on this board discrediting Dennis be able to provide one shred of evidence that JT couldn't be!!!!

This is mostly a waste of time to address anything other than facts. So, with that, I would like to sign off for a while!!!! Between my immense schedule, and starting a new Z exam, I will be extremely busy.....

Those of you who are investigating the facts with me know how to reach me personally.... :)

I come here daily because I have nothing to hide, and I have put my lively hood on the line for what I believe, so for anyone who might think I just don't want to be under scrutiny, let me say it out loud for them upfront. YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTACT ME!!! I AM ALWAYS ABLE TO BE FOUND!!! AND, I DO NOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH, NOR DO I FEAR ANY QUESTION POSED!!! I WILL ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND GET THE ANSWERS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY!!!

TTFN :) :) :)



Well...there is no concrete proof that JT ISNT the Zodiac just like there is no concrete proof that he IS the Zodiac.
Can anything ever put him in the right location at the right time?
You say handwriting...this has been discredited by some.
Lets dig in Texas...what about the hood?
"The case is based on handwriting and DNA". Whose DNA? Denny's DNA?
Where's (literally) the smoking gun Zodiac used?
Where's evidence relating to codes?
The case is circumstatial...wheteher trying to prove JT IS or IS NOT Zodiac. Its a tough sell either way.
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NanetteB, sorry, I hadn't responded sooner. I haven't read my emails lately because of Spam. SO, lets all have a looksee, today!? Good!

That said, at least with the tidbit of raw meat from a hint of discreditation being thrown out to the rabid dogs, well, it seems there isn't all that many dogs coming to grab that meat. The naysayers are few and far between.

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Whooo weeeee, one thing for sure, and I say this as respectfully as I can,.....this is dysfunction at a very high level! But it kinda fits the profile of a family from which a seriel killer might come.....
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So sad and pathetic, a roll of film which is said to be of killings and all pix are blurs, but one, in that pic turns out to be a 1997 suicide of Dennis's sisters bf...I was already pretty sure the hood was a fake, now I am certain, also pretty sure Dennis is facing prison time with lying to the FBI, that handwriting hottie remains somewhat doable...

And to think, a year ago, I was almost positive Jack was the Z!
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Jaytee...fill me in, I must have missed something...As of yesterday the FBI was still diligently working on the case against Jack Tarrance as possible Zodiac Killer. Did you hear from the FBI?? Did they tell you the hood is fake?? Hmmmm and that Dennis is going to prison? You mean to tell me that it took the FBI a year to find that the hood is fake?? Wow Jaytee....you definitely got the inside scoop!
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I'm all for spirited debates, but "Jaytee" missed the point entirely. To come on here and attempt to discredit Dennis is immature and underhanded. The poster is welcome to his/her opinion, but to state as fact certain things is to attempt to blur the line between opinion and truth. Whether JT is Zodiac or not, investigations take time.
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http://www.cbs13.com/zodiackiller has all the Jack Tarrance Zodiac Killer & FBI Investigation reports from 2008 to 2009. Just bringing it to the top as these steps that led to this years media events are important links in the chain which have been buried, on and off this MB, by those who just can't deal with the facts that Jack Tarrance is Zodiac Killer. Jack is the only suspect while alive and after his death with FBI and Media attention.
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I hope for another CBS update, soo, but I just saw something posted online that makes me wonder about the so-called Zodiac Researchers that say they have followed these cases obsessively, knowing each and every in and out of them all: "Familial DNA might be used to discover Zodiac Killer?" Oh, yeah? How can you when everybody-and-their-grandmother knows the DNA is PARTIAL and degraded! Not to mention believed to be mishandled by SFPD (who's on the S-List for Evidence Mishandling for years) Even FBI knows this when they gathered up DNA from Tarrance and relative(s). The Zodiac Researcher who backs this idea must be blind and haven't seen the news about the DNA. My apologies to you Z researcher if you are really blind and those who truly are, too as I am not making fun of this malady just surprised to see the Familial DNA analysis suggestion.
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Looking for CBS13 Video of Dennis Finding THE Hood in Public Address System. WHY? They used a P.A. system when the various Indian Groups occupied Alcatraz 1964 for 4 hours, 1969 for 19 MONTHS or 11/69 to 6/70. There was a heck of a lot of Native American activism going on 1960s to early 1970s in San Francisco Bay Area. I outta know, I was living half of my youth with a Cherokee in Napa, CA. I believe the Indian Activists also used a P.A. system when they occupied a Fort in Seattle area for a couple of months 1970. GUESS who supported these groups of Indians? MEL BELLI who did get some fame of it!

Dennis, I always believed you found the Lake Berryessa Hood, but the P.A. system and all those Indian symbols in the ciphers, give you more credibility then anyone could have ever dreamed of. Jack was an avenger who saw some horrid things happen to Indians and stuck up for them in a way I don't agree with but it happened. Breath easy on that, now, Dennis. He wasn't a madman serial killer. He was angry and fighting to help make things better for Indians who were living in the most deplorable conditions worse than a 3rd world country on Reservations here on US soil. I saw the conditions as a kid, myself. Um...and those conditions still exist in Reservations like the one near Chaco Canyon and in Oklahoma. Where else? Look online, you'll find them and a bunch of still angry Native Americans.

HERE's the CBS13 Video:
All new readers, please ignor the hate attacks there. People don't want the truth about Jack to be known and it's those in media (movies, true crime websites, TV mysteries), and now I believe also those in government who helped keep the truth quiet in the past.

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Wow, thanks for the link! That's awesome! One of the best I have ever seen on the Zodiac! Bookmarking.


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