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JCloser

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Link, the only thing I have figured out is that I don't have anything figured out. Having said that, I do believe that I have the ability or smarts to deal with shrewed, cunning and manipulative people. I can ID them--and their games--a mile away. I guess the world is divided into two types of people, "suckers" and "hustlers" or "sheep" and "wolves". My take is that Z is very very shrewed, cunning, manipulative and calculating. In other words in my opinion he is a mixture of conman and street smarts. I believe, and this is my opinion, that it is so obvious that he deliberately misspelled words (later to spell these same words correctly in later letters--see David Van Nuys and Kellehers' explanation on this fact)to create a false impression of who he is. Also, with a little insight into human nature, the "why" for certain bizarre Z items becomes all to common and well rooted in mundane necessity. Do you think Z does not know how to spell X-mas? As for Dennis' new letter, you asked why send in a letter with cross outs? Have you ever just jotted down a note, crossed out a section and then inserted new wording? This is very casual activity in writing, this is not someone writing formally, someone trying to be "careful" while creating a good "fake" This is the type of casual activity that one sees when one is being authentic and is not forced behavior. This really argues for it being real. Is it real? I don't know, but the look and psychology behind those scribbles are consistent with it being real. If that is not real, my hat is off to the faker for coming up with such a well thought out forgery. This would be the best forgery I've seen since the liar's club went off the air in the late 1970s!
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ok i'll make this as simple as I can, this is what I see when I study that letter. I see a guy sitting down with 3 or 4 or more copies or examples of Z letters in front of him, he studies them carefully taking note of all the obvious and subtlties. He practices and practices, he then decides what little piece of all the letters he wants to include in his letter, he creates it and mails it. Now, could this man be an 80 year old Z having one last kick or is it a disgruntled ex investigator or policeman that wants to bring attention again or is it a Z idolizer who wishes he actually was Z. I don't know which one of these men made this letter, but the letter looks too well crafted, someone took great time and effort to make it. Can anyone findout when this letter was post marked or delivered?
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Diamond, 80 year old man on a last kick? If I'm not mistaken, Dennis said this letter is from 1986! That is only 16 years after the Stein murder and based on the age descriptions that we have on Z, it is very possible that it could have come from a living Z. This isn't something that just showed up in 2008, Dennis said that he has had someone from the DOJ look at it, and it is his belief that it is real. Maybe it is not, but I think you might be confusing this letter with the new copy cat murder that just took place in NC.
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Jc sorry maybe my math was off. If Z is alive today is it not accepted that he could possibly be as old as in his mid to late 70's? I thought this to be the case, no?
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Yes, but he would not be anywhere close to that age if the letter was written in 1986. I rechecked the first post of this thread by Dennis and indeed he claims that this letter was mailed in 1986.
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Ok got it. I still say it's suspect, but worth a look for sure...
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In the letters zodiac wrote to the chronicle there are two things he consistently does. He abbreviates San Francisco and he spells Chronicle correctly. I find this to be a z characteristic just as much so as the 3 stroke k's. The main problem i have is the lack of information i have concerning this letter. Dennis says it was given to him by a credible source and that he promised to keep his id secret. I have no problem with that. But i cant just be presented with a photo of a letter and except it as a legitimate z communication.
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For me to accept this letter as authentic, I need to believe that Zodiac the man since his early correspondence had a monumental shift in his mentality and psychology. The person who created this current letter is at a completely different level psychologically than the person who created the original Zodiac authentic letters.

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Diamond, are you trained or licensed as a psychologist? I'm just wondering since you often state a knowledge or opinion of Z's psychological makeup. Are these just or opinions, or should they be considered professional opinions?
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Trained and licensed
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Wow, that is cool. What is your training background, and do you have a practice? You should do a complete psych make up of Z and post it on this site for us to discuss.
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I originally was trained within the clinical stream but switched to the more humanistic approach of counseling. My expertise is working with individuals one on one in a situation that allows the person to speak freely about their life and experiences. I am not so concerned with making a clinical diagnosis unless it is very pertinent to their moving forward. To me telling someone they have OCD does nothing to enrich their life. Now if you assist that same person to over come the original cause of the OCD you do much more to help that person life a fruitful life. I don't have a formal practice however I do own a separate non related business with my partner. I have played around with a few psych make-ups for Zodiac, I may post something in the future regarding.


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Well..here is my 2 cents..It looks like a Z letter. The envelope looks great too. It just doesn't "read" like a Z letter for me...it feels a little different...and I am not quite sure that I can put my finger on how...it just does. Told ya my opinion was only worth 2 cents!! :) SOOOOOOOOOO glad the board is back!
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It looks fake to me but with all the games Z played maybe he would have sent a letter that looked like a fake, who knows.

It looks like too many intentional misspellings to be real.

Plus the handwriting seems a little off.

But given the time difference that could be explained too i guess, maybe he even forgot his own style when writing to the cops exactly.

I don't know though something about it just says fake to me.

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