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If you continue to stretch a rubber band it will eventually break.
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Profiler, you mean the news will eventually break? There is some serious work being done here and even if the board seems quiet, just from this thread alone, in the last 5 weeks Photobucket stats are over 10,000, so, I keep posting the finds because people are interested. I believe, at some point, all of what's been compiled either by the work being done here, what Dennis and his camp is doing behind the scenes or both, will all be presented very, neatly to the FBI. For now, it's being stretched out so the public can view whatever members like: trustno1, alphie, thewraith or whomever comes up with a solve, or what Nanette has, what I came up with....on the MB. Anyway, Profiler, thanks for the response as maybe it will bring more people out of the lurking shadows.
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Me thinks that the Zodiac did not have the time nor the inclination to go to all this trouble. Sometimes the answers are staring us straight in the face.

My opinion is that after 40 years, the top code breakers, FBI, LE, etc. would have come up with viable theories while the clues were still fresh.

This is not taking away from your hard work, Catseye, it's just my opinion after many, many years of armside sleuthing on this case.

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Really AveryJ, because you do realize that the Zodiac was never caught right? He went through a tremendous amount of trouble to make sure of it. If he were any other serial killer that just slithered away in the night after his kills he'd had a better chance of never being caught, but no, not Z, he was playing a game, and he played it well.

The answers have been staring people in the face for a long time, and sometimes you become blind to the obvious when you are too close because that was Z's intention - distraction...

There is a valid point to the number 1 in the card as catseye describes, and anyone can see that it is a portion of some character.

I do not understand the sudden interest in profiler mocking what is going on here because at least we are working on something......Sheesh can't there ever be a what if factor on this board, or does everyone want to take the wind out of our sails on purpose? Many of you have theorized this case for many years, and I have only been around for six months. We aren't making this crap up, it's too strange to be fiction. And, it's not that deep if you think about it.

Besides, we are merely waiting out our sentence until the final word, so if you don't want to play along, please be respectful and either join in to tell us why it doesn't work, or keep any mean comments to yourself thank you! :)


1. I wasnt mocking the case
2. Sudden interest? I've been here for a while, and havent posted in a very long time.
3. Read my comment in a different light (or maybe when your in a better mood) and you might understand it.
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Nice to see some responses here on the MB. I am a cynic, so, is this attention for slamming Dan Olson? Anyway, I did feel a bit of a jab from you Profiler but like "LE" has done before I saw this as livening up the board. But that's o.k. there's alot of progress while the board was sleeping. I am not privy to all the details going on with Dennis and his camp, and I get some tidbits from Nanette from time to time but right now, I feel my best position is to be someone outside of the loop, doing what I can to get people to see how we can link Jack to Zodiac solidly, without any doubt. The way I see it, is that if someone like me who's outside the loop, more-or-less like the General Public, can make it clearly understood, why Jack is Zodiac and how it was achieved (with solves by people including myself), then it will be definitely understood by the General Public when the time comes for FBI to officially lay it all out once and for all.

AveryJ, since there is so much leaning towards Jack being Zodiac, Jack did have the time to do lots of details as he was an avid reader, he knew Orienteering (new catch word of the week for me), was influenced by types of alphabets (loved the Greek one, according to Dennis), had military training, and he was very, well, seasoned at so many things by his 40s like what Zodiac did, plus during late 1960s to early very early '70s he was divorcing Doris and had no real place to call home, not much work (if any), so, lots and lots of time while he got stoned off his keester and being anti-establishment. Thanks for noticing all the hard work.

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Ms. Barto.... I feel that I need to respond to your Post#92. Previously you made a remark about eccentric people which I am a proud, card carrying member of. Now, you write something about being blond, as if that might imply something. I happen to be blond, blue eyed and, eccentric. Now please excuse me so that I might find an ice cube to hold in my mouth for a while to help with my aching tongue and cheek. Oh yeah, sometimes my mind yaddah yaddah yaddah.
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I just caught a google cache of Voigt's 11/9/09 remark about the 340 cipher in his "Today from the FBI" thread that starts off with excited members going to follow FBIs Cipher Expert Dan Olson advice he sent in an email 2/09 the day after MysteryQuest show. The thread goes on to have members trying their hands at solving it, then by October trashes KaufmanLand. Several days after the Latitude solve that was posted here 11/2/09, Voigt posts a comment that there are other Zodiac sites spreading myths that it's been solved. Yes, the myths are true Tom Voigt, that the 340 Cipher has been solved. Here are the two solves side by side.

First one From 8/22/09 "The 340 Cipher that is said to have "his" name in it, well, I found one JT and what might be a Mirror J w/sideways W&T and a bunch of reversed, sideways, upside-down FLVs w/colored in O's. Any takes on this, guys? Did he sign this unsolvable cipher with another JT and a bunch of FLOV(a)s? Are there anymore hidden Tarrance family clues here? I had to use a picture of the 340 cipher w/typed notes as my CD ROM disc crashed!" FLOVa is Jacks Moms name and his tattoo on his arm.

The 2nd one shows 3 dot accented Greek Dekas for 10, 9 forward slanting or Italics Greek ones, a few Phi's for latitude. 39 Degrees Latitude. Add this to Graysmiths partial solve decades earlier that mentioned about Clearlake, well, Clearlake is at 39 Degrees Latitude. So, yes, it appears to be solved. AND remember that Cipher has two meanings, the first one is mathematical that's especially used in Orienteering i.e. mapping/charting/Lat/Long, the 2nd is Code. The two solves apply to both meanings.

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Since FBI Cipher Expert Dan Olson has agreed that the 340 Cipher is Homophonic in an email to Voigt, I want to take this at face value. So, here is the gist of the email sent 11/8/09 as it apparently has a very, important role here with the ciphers solved at this thread:

[B]"Statistics for the repeatedness characters for each line show distinct higher randomness with lines 1-3 and 11-13. Randomness may be due in part or whole to greater care by writer to not repeat characters. This indicates Homophonic substitution and the opposite is true for lines 4, 10,14, 17 and 18. There's also a greater radnombess for row vs column. Overall radndomness of 408 except for *bogus rows is .48, overall randomness of 340 is .50. Row randomness of 408 is .22, 340 is .19. 408 column randomness is .48, 340 is .68. By way of comparison, row & randomness should be near identical if 340 doesn't contain any message or if there's a message evenly scrambled." [/I]

So, what exactly does Homophonic mean? According to Merriam-Webster, it basically means characters and words that sound the same but have double meaning. Well, then that means that Cipher is also Homophonic as it has a Mathematical meaning as well as code meaning. So when Zodiac asked if "cracked the cipher yet" he wasn't just meaning code, he was also asking if you did the math in the cipher! Greek Deka is Greek D as well as 10 and so, on! With this understanding of Homophonic and what has been taking place on this very thread with the 340 cipher, the 408, the "my name is" cipher, the June 26, 1970 letter cipher, I would say that according to FBI Cipher Expert Daniel Olson, he should seriously consider signing off on these ciphers as actual solves....his words on Homophonic substitution and that there may be only a partial solve in the 340 in that email (like 39 Degrees Latitude and Clearlake and JTs/Flovs)....as they are full of double meanings that elude to Jack Tarrance being Zodiac Killer.

That said, Tom Voigt, please man-up and work with us on solving this once and for all and push this on to Dan Olson, if you are a man of your word in truly wanting to get Zodiac Killer identified. I know money has been made on the Zodiac Killer with other potential suspects in mind but just imagine what the TRUTHE is worth! Yes, I have always spelled truth with an E and that is my subconcious idiosyncracy, so that is why it's in the signature at this MB. Financially, solving this could be worth an amazing amount of money but morally, it is priceless. When you die, you take with you what you did in life and money doesn't go with you when you pass on, so, money is not first and foremost for me in this, it is truthe, honor, integrity which is what is morally right and those of us with fine morals at this board will take that with us in the end.

Edited 11/21/09 8 a.m. GMT: *The BOGUS rows of EBEORIETEMETTHPITI have been decoded correctly by people at zodiologist.com: EBE for Everyone Become Enlightened; OBIETEM is Latin (AD) ORIETEM for direction of religious mass celebrants facing a central place of revelation, the sun, the lord; ETTHP is Ancient word from Sahidic Bible Texts of 1 Corinthians 2:7 and Revelation 2:17, meaning "having been hidden"; ITI: Sanskrit word to indicate end of direct speech or writing.

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Both Cipher meanings here! Decoding and math for ciphering location/latitude. There's the Meridian & Baseline symbol, which in this case is Mt. Diablo. Using that Baseline & Meridian and the math of Greek Dot accented Dekas for 10, 6 forward slanting or Italics Greek ones, a few Phi's for Latitude, from the Mt. Diablo Baseline & Meridian you get 36 Degrees Latitude. Using Dennis own map based on Jacks math formula, the 36 Degrees Latitude line goes through Monterey/South Bay Area.

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This is from KKASES Photobucket:
[IMG][/IMG]According to Greg Mellen, 1970s Cipher expert, the 340 Cipher is Homophonic and Graysmiths "Zodiac" goes on to say that Homophonic is cipher using multiple substitutes for a single letter. Recently, FBI Cipher Expert Dan Olson says basically the same thing that 340 Cipher is Homophonic substitution. BUT according to Meriam-Webster Dictionary, Homophonic means characters/words with same sound but double meanings as the word has it basis in Homophone. The word Cipher is then Homophone in nature as it has 2 meanings: One mathematical and it is used in Orienteering by calculating positions with Latitude & Longitude, the other meaning is: Code. Dan Olson has also concluded that the 340 Cipher: {Statistics for repeatedness characters for each line show distinct higher randomness with lines 1-3 and 11-13 which indicates Homophonic substitution AND the opposite is true for lines 4, 10, 14, 17 & 18. He goes on to say Row & Randomness should be nearly identical if 340 doesn't contain any message or if there's a message evenly scrambled} So, if I understand correctly, he and his department at the FBI feel that there are several ways to decode and understand what the author of the cipher is saying. With this in mind, I see that Graysmiths solve of line 5 of the 340 Cipher has Clealake and this line is not mentioned in Dan Olson's assessment of 340. So, this is one way of decoding. The other is Ciphering (using Protractor & Compass to map out radian line from Mt. Diablo Baseline/Meridian symbol in the Cipher) the latitude which is 39 and CLEARLAKE, CA is 39 Degrees latitude. The 3rd way is the JTs, JWT, FLOVs using the standout letters that are upside-down, reverse, etc. So, all this said, if I understand Dan Olsons assessment of the 340 Cipher, it may not contain a flowing decoding via character by character and line by line but a hodgepodge of decoding the message of the author through more than one way of doing so. I can confidently place part of Graysmiths solve with the other meaning of Cipher to the 39 Degrees Latitude along with the initials of Jack Tarrance and his Moms name tattoo'd on his arm: FLOV(a).

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From trustno1s "My Name Is" thread solve that's 2nd post in this thread:

[IMG][/IMG]The symbols that looked like circled 8's could have been two circled R's and one circled taurus sign, giving me a T.

Well, trustno1 is apparently, VERY, correct about using the Taurus sign for a T as abbreviation for Taurus is Tau and that Zodiac/Constellation name is of Greek origion which takes us back to the Greek Alphabet Tau, in-turn, Latin/Roman Alphabet gets it's T from the Greek one. I understand Jack loved the Greek Alphabet and he easily used the Tau in place of T. So, just another minor clue that seems to stand out, now, that this particular cipher was created by Jack TAUrrance.

That said, trustno1 solve goes on to mention about Mathmagic and this was a post almost 2 months ago. Since then, Jack and his interest in math, how he applied it, has been covered extensively on not only this thread but other ones as well.

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Have a Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! I plan on laying low this week but if there's any major developments on the MB, I will be here, too.
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Hey, all!? This MB has been down since around 11/23 and it is back up and running! While it was down, I joined MySpace and I came out of the MB closet there and started a blog, too. This thread had become something like a blog, so, I will try not to do that here but just on MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/510539998 My name and photos are revealed there, so, be nice to me or take heed in the warning:

I am Pisces. Treat me nice and I am as gentle as a guppy swimming about in your fishtank. Mistreat me and I become the Great White Shark who comes up out of nowhere that eats your boat and everybody and everything on it.

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These stats speak for themselves. Dennis Kaufman's MB went down 11/23 and still just lil' ol' Catseye's "ABCs, etc" and posts yielded over 10,000 in 3 wks. Then when the MB came back online and just my 2 added threads with this one: over 1300 in just 3 days. Dennis Kaufman's site and MB is popular contrary to what it appears to be when just quiet. Jack Tarrance is the only real suspect being investigated by the FBI, being given media coverage (thank you CBS13 TV & Online site), so, I think people realize that he's the right one! Way to go Dennis!

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I like Jack better than I have ever liked any suspect. Too many things fit to ignore him. I noticed the similarities in his handwriting just from the examples Dennis put up on his site. To ignore him as a suspect because you're not involved in the case or because you like your own suspect or you don't like Dennis - well, that is just petty and small.

I have seen some people pick one or two things from Dennis website and pick it apart (sometimes showing they don't even get what that particular "evidence" means in relation to the case) acting like that "proves" Jack can't be the zodiac. But I have never seen anyone go point by point and make a good case against Jack. Now I know that without really knowing Jack intimately like Jack's family - one cannot really do that. But the case presented by Dennis was good enough for the FBI to want to investigate. That should say something right there for all the haters.

I wish things would move faster but it's a cold case (with a likely dead perpetrator) so I don't expect the FBI to really be devoting a lot of time or resources to it.

The reality is a lot of things fit or can't be shown not to fit so that is what people - even haters - should be focusing on.

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