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TE

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Hope this is not a repeat subject, but i have been reading The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry about the Son of Sam murders. I was unaware of all the connections to the occult group(s)surrounding this case.
There are a lot of similiarities w/the Zodiac murders,(and I believe JT's mother practiced Black Magic) + Jack delving into the hypnosis.....
The Occult and Drug rings go hand in hand.
The above mentioned book is a real page turner by the way!
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Not sure if she did. If she indeed did then you should see more of flowers, bones, feathers and what nots.

I would consider them as two parallel evil men. Never meeting each other but having the same direction. They need not have met or followed each other.
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TE, why do you think a belief in the occult and drug rings go hand in hand?
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Joanne, you just took the words right out of my mouth!
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TE

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just based on the book i read from above - they use the drugs so as to attract people to the group (young or lonely; impressionable; those seeking to belong to something) get them hooked + helps in their get togethers get into the mood so to speak....plus they sell as well to keep the $ coming in and grow the group....book also said prostitution and pornography cross over with the occult.
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just based on the book i read from above - they use the drugs so as to attract people to the group (young or lonely; impressionable; those seeking to belong to something) get them hooked + helps in their get togethers get into the mood so to speak....plus they sell as well to keep the $ coming in and grow the group....book also said prostitution and pornography cross over with the occult.


Wow! Your book makes us non-believers sound pretty pathetic! Just to set the record straight, modern Satanists don't worship Satan -- in fact, we don't even BELIEVE in Satan (or God). Rather, we choose to base our lives on the natural world and on the here-and-now (as opposed to a belief in an afterlife). Satanism and its most important virtue is the enjoyment of life. YOU are God, and this is YOUR world (not God's). A great poem which explores a woman's internal struggle between belief in God and belief in the natural world (paganism/Satanism) is "Sunday Morning" by Wallace Stevens.

It makes me wonder why some Christians try to paint Satanists as pitchfork-carrying monsters wearing dark robes and sacrificing babies. Why does the author of your book try to make the case that prostitution, pornography and drugs go hand-in-hand with Satanism? To me, this says more about Christianity than it does about Satanism.

Did you guys know that someone on this board actually wrote a book about this very topic? Who can guess the author?
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Satan is a concept found in Christianity and Islam (and maybe Judaism). Hindu religions have other bad creatures.

And there are serial killers everywhere, even in India/Asia. It is notthing to do with even money.

Pornography is hardly related to Satan. In India it is actually somewhat linked to the gods and temples.

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For those wanting more info on satanism, this article my offer some insight.

http://www.lycos.com/info/satanism--modern-satanism.html

or

http://www.modernsatanism.com/satanism.html
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Folks, Maury Terry published his Ultimate Evil in 1987, which was about ten years after the Summer of Sam was over. Some theories which were presented in Terry's book should not be accepted as facts because they were not. A drug burn was considered as a possible motive for the bloody murders carried out in the Summer of Helter Skelter. This was just a theory. Also, it was reported that Manson had claimed some victims were into business of child pornography, which gave rise to the murder and mayhem. Police never found such a porno ring linked to Manson Family and any of the butchered victims.

Many years later, we have also to learn to deal with the fly-by internet ramblers who got nothing better to do with their idle times in their dull lives.

After Terry found access to David Berkowitz to try to figure out this murderous fruit cake with a brain full of cold oatmeal, Berkowitz was given a "Deep Throat" warning in the prison to stop his yipyappings. An emergency room doctor had to use 56 stitches to close Berkowitz' throat wound. Also, Berkowitz had never revealed who pull the razor blade on him?

To this date, Berkowitz had continued not to reveal anything of value to law enforcement authorities to expose other co-conspirators, who were involved in the eight "Son of Sam" attacks who could be alive and on the lam today. So far, he had only admitted that he had done the Bronx jobs. But that was not enough. He had to fully confess that John C. Carr also did the rest of them instead of trying to spin tall tales for his bosom buddies in the prison so it could be leaked out whenever it was deemed necessary. The so-called prison informants who supplied misleading info to Terry to throw him off the track were as useless as Berkowitz himself. In my opinion, Berkowitz caused the most damage by his lies to try to cover up the ritualistic murder of Arlis Dykema, Bruce Perry's wife, in the Stanford Memorial Church on October 12, 1974, which was magically staged to coincide with the 99th birthday annivesary of Aleister Crowley (12 October 1875 - 1 December 1947). No matter what he says nowdays, David Berkowitz is no "Son of Hope." The title of "Son of Dope" would be more apt for him to use in his letterheads to con the tortured masses.

The book is good to read as things that had happened after Berkowitz' arrest of August 10, 1977, and what he might have done when he was still free to roam like a demon-possessed zombie of doom at nights as he recieved his barking orders from his Grand Master Sam.

The Ultimate Evil should not be considered as the Gospel of the truth by Maury Terry because it is not. Also, Terry never mentioned anything about the Zodiac case in the 1st edition of his book. In fact, to this date, I have never seen any type of report about Berkowitz talking about the Zodiac case.

During the 1990's, I had sent Terry's book agent, Carol Mann, some of my findings about the connection of the Zodiac case and the Son of Sam case. Neither Terry nor his book agent ever contacted me. In the preface for the up-dated version of his book, Terry mentioned the Zodiac case and how the law enforcement authorities were working on the matter to see if anyone could be indicted. We just have to wait and see.

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In his introductory post of 10/30/08, at 10:27 pm, TE wrote, "I believe JT's mother practiced Black Magic."

TE, how did you end up believing that Jack's mother practiced black magic?


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i read it here on the board somewhere, it could've been from Dennis explaining some of JT's childhood and tractor incident...i'll try to find when more time - maybe Dennis could answer - not trying to speculate, so apologize if incorrect
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Re: sataniam, drugs & Z:

I think you have to keep the Z murders in the context of their times: that period between the Summer of Love and Disco that we refer to as 'the sixties.' There was more going on than just a bunch of harmless hippies sitting around the lava lamp getting high and talking about ending the war. There was a definite dark side.

Bear w/ me & I'll try not to ramble too much. Aleister Crowley [the father of modern satanism] writes that someday American youth will bring his ideas into the mainstream worldwide. Crowley uses mescaline to induce visions in his followers at the Abbey of Thelema. He is also addicted to the drug himself. He turns on Alduos Huxley [Brave New World]. Huxley meets the inventor of LSD & finds nirvana. He, in turn, turns on a young Harvard professor named Timothy Leary who promptly quits his job and heads for SF where he hands out LSD to the hippies at the 'Be-In' festival and famously tells them to 'turn on, tune in & drop out'. Leary hangs around the Haight and gets high w/ local rock stars like the Grateful Dead and the Doors and eventually meets up w/ a grp of San Diego surfers who have founded a church called the Brotherhood of Eternal Love & get rich producing and selling a particularly potent form of acid called 'orange sunshine'. Are they a real cult, a front for a drug ring, both? When Leary is imprisoned they contact the Weather Underground (a radical grp that's trying to bring about world peace by blowing up buildings. The FBI can't find the Weathermen but the Brotherhood has absolutely no problem at all!) They pay the Weathermen 30,000 dollars to break Leary out of federal prison and they do! Leary brags about it on camera from Africa! Can you imagine that sort of thing happening today? Years later, on a PBS interview (you can You Tube it) Leary says that he is a great admirer of Crowley and that 'the sixties' helped finish Crowley's work.
The 'sixties' were different! People ask why would drug dealers send letters, etc? Tony Soprano wouldn't, the Columbians wouldn't, the punks in the gang down at the corner wouldn't- but The Brotherhood of Eternal Love? Or the Process? Or... You see my point. Things were different then.

Darlene Ferrin lost a lot of weight in a hurry, started talking so fast she jumbled up her words, took on a whole new group of friends, spent all her spare time in SF, started buying expensive clothes and even purchased a house on a waitresses salary. Her address book includes a woman who lived next door to a house used by the Process.[Where Charles Manson and Manson Family member Bobby Beausileil (who ties in w/ Anton Levay friend and fellow Satanist Kenneth Anger) also spent time. The woman when contacted is reported to admit having spent time w/ both the Process & LeVay's Church of Satan. On the last page of the address book is scrawled [the writing is unruly- not like the neat hand displayed in the other entries, and darker as if she's pushing the pen harder under stress] the names and numbers of ministers. In an interview Howard "Buzz" Gordon [the married cop she had a long running affair with] says she was into drugs and the occult and wanted out. (I'm afraid you'll have to go to TV's site -it's under 'Definite Victims', I think.)

Now I'm not trying to say it was any of the aforementioned people or even that it was a drug ring. I'm only saying in the context of the times the idea is not far fetched. So I leave it there. It may seem far out but remember this all happened back when "Far Out!' was in!

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TE, I am not sure what your definition of "practicing black magic" is, but Jacks mother was into self hypnosis. Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "practicing black magic?" Does it differ from "practicing white magic?"
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I dont know the difference between the 2 - I was trying to bring out a point and recall info about your mother (not insult her)and it appears i have used the wrong definitions/info.
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LtColumbo, I knew mostly all the different things you mentioned in your post, but I never put it together in the same perspective you displayed. Good Job.
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Thank you, War of Souls. Since at least one person found it interesting here's the stuff I left out. First, one correction: Leary didn't actually found the Brotherhood of Eternal Love - they just adopted him as their guru.
Huxley likened LSD to 'soma' in his famous book & had himself given LSD as he lay dying. He also participated in a decade of acid experiments organized by A.A. founder (& fellow occultist)Bill Wilson -who kept journals of his acid trips & wanted to pass it out free at AA meetings.(Don't mention that around 12-steppers or you're liable to get 'stoned' the old fashioned way!)
Satanist Kenneth Anger made a low budget movie called 'Lucifer Rising'. [you can you tube it, but it's Ed Wood bad] Origionally,actor/musician [and Manson Family member]Bobby Beausileil was cast as Satan but he had to be replaced half way through shooting when he was arrested for the Hinton murder. Two soundtracks to the film were written and performed by first Jimmy Page and then Mick Jagger but they were awful & Beausileil wrote and recorded the one Anger eventually used -making it the only soundtrack ever recorded in State Prison. The Stones used a Crowley tarot card as the cover of one of their Albums. Leary acid trip buddies The Doors featured Crowley on the back of one of their records. The Beatles, whose White Album 'spoke' to Charles Manson, featured Crowley prominantley on the cover of the Sgt Pepper LP & Lennon flashes the satanic 'horns of mendes' hand symbol in publicity photos [and this was years before it also came to mean 'rock on'].
The chemist for Ken Kesey & the Merry Pranksters, the Brotherhood, & Acid Experiments was Grateful Dead sound engineer Owsley Stanely. He dominted manufacture & distribution of LSD [sure he gave some away but that was just to fix market price- he made millions] in the US & esp. Calif. I think he bears looking at if we discuss the drug angle.[He was an electrical engineer in Air Force, BTW. Radians anyone?]
Crowley's summation of Thelemite [or Satanic] philosophy 'Do what thou wilt' is simply re-worded in modern engish in the sixties' mottos; 'Do your own thing' & 'If it feels good do it".

There's more -but that's enough to set the tone of the Bay area circa Z killings. Add in Ferrin -who may have spent alot of time in Haight Ashbury -and it's not so far fetched!

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