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catseye

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Thank You, again, to the Hardens as their symbols are, in my opinion, 90% accurate! BIG Thanks goes to Dennis for hanging in there, Nanette Barto & FBI & LE or whomever is behind them! After getting private input from Dennis, looking at evidence presented, from there, I studied more about Jack, the world of cultures that has one main culture in common. This is all in the 3-Pt & 340 Ciphers. I can confidentally tell you: LIKE THE 340 CIPHER, THERE IS NO ALPHABET HERE despite an A-looking symbol, THAT ISN'T AN "A". It's an arch and this symbol isn't in the 340. I learned my lesson from doing the 340 real symbols not to attempt going over entire 3-Pt Cipher with ink, except scratch-like colored boxes & colored in circles. Look at the G-looking symbol & the R-looking symbol...they are not the same as 340. There's more differences between the two but I will not clarify on details as this info and more is supposed to go to Dennis Kaufman. Just want people to see what the 3-pt Cipher symbols are supposed to look like. And, like you, I thought I knew it all about these Ciphers until lately! Now I do!

[I]HERE THEY ARE:[/B]




5/30/11 It was missing 2 symbols. That's what I get for trusting the unscrupulous. All the right Hardens symbols are here. Thank You Hardens AND Thanks goes to Zodiologists! I was checking the bottom 18 symbols "gibberish" they solved, realized a jerk had blocked out 2 of the symbols at another site. I won't give the jerk the publicity they do not deserve.

8/3/11 THE SYMBOLS ID'd based on Harden's right trail. FROM JACKTARRANCE.net Final Decoding Page That (Detective) & I discussed. Their Dept, they said, wanted the page to themselves as they said all the ciphers pertaining to Zodiac cases were connected and that's why cases still open, that they take information on all Zodiac cases ciphers. I will name this detective later this year. THIS INFO below has been online since 7/9/11 at 707Catseye.net released via twitter as MBs are dead. Then Final Decoding Page that this det. & his agency wanted 'kept to themselves while they checked the work there and TOOK NOTES' was released about a week later

5/4/11 The above 2 pictures are what I am absolutely confident are the real Zodiac Killer symbols, thanks to Hardens correct depictions. I only had to do minor adjustments to them. LIKE THE 340, THERE IS NO ALPHABET despite the "A" looking symbol. That is an Arch and is seen at Hickison Petroglyph site. The 2 dark circles are the Lunar & Solar Eclipses of late 1960s (I saw them in San Francisco as a kid). There are no crescent moon here like the 340. This has several Miwok petroglyphs 4 dot square with dot for time of the star every 6 hours around polaris. Edited 5/29/11: The first symbol, a Triangle appears to be 16th c Dutch created Constellation Truangulum Australe for better Celestial Navigation (seen under Milky Way Constellation Norma). The Indians saw this in the sky, too. The R-looking symbol is slightly different and several other symbols vary from the 340. The G-looking symbol has line through it, so, probably the Homolovi Petroglyph panel with this symbol during Solstice. There's a scratched-like box for solar events scratched on plaster or wood by sun priest. Several wide H & I looking symbols which are peck hole Solstice & Equinox markers like that of INY272 Petroglyph site. Many of the same symbols here are in 340. Judging from what I see in this cipher, it's mostly Sierra Mountains Cal/Nevada to Nevada & part of Arizona. The 340 is Arizona to New Mexico. The 6/26/70 Letter/Cipher page appears to have Cibola National Forest Tijueras Pueblo along with JACK WLKER T. It's as-if it's a trail from California to Nevada to Arizona to Chaco Canyon New Mexico then south to Cibola . Update blog later. 5/28/11 UPDATE Symbols info: INY272 Petroglyph site has peckholes for squares & shading to tell Equinox & Solstice events. See Equinox Project online. They are ancient Shoshone over 10,000 years old, but this much studied area is in modern Paiute parts of Cal/Nev border. Before you exclaim the Christopher Columbus moment that this was recently discovered: THE INDIANS WERE & ARE HERE, KNEW & KNOW ABOUT THE SECRET RITUAL SYMBOLS orally handed down men to men, generations to generations. The shadows cast are in the 3-pts cipher & 340. It is believed from here the nomadic Indians evolved and descendants are the Anasazi, inturn Pueblo, Zuni, Hopi & other subsequent tribes. So, many petroglyph & pictograph symbols in 3-pt have lots to do with these California to NM Indians both ancient to modern. The Anasazi & Puebloans definitely used square windows for Astronomy events.

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sixtieschick

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So have you basically rewritten the symbols for the 340 cipher into what you think they are supposed to look like? If so, based on what? Are you saying that the symbols created by the Zodiac/Jack and sent to the papers were not correct, and that the Hardens's copying of the 3 part cipher when they solved it has the correct symbols? How can that be? The symbols on the cipher Zodiac/Jack sent to the papers are what he wrote/created. How can they not be correct?

Since you also provide us with a rewritten version of the 3 part cipher, are you also saying that the solution for the 3 part cipher that the Hardens came up with is not correct? The FBI code experts verified the Hardens's solution.
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Yeah catseye or whatever your name is, why don't you answer sixtieschick' questions ?

I'd say it's typical catseye disinformation as she's done over and over, again and again; designed to damage the credibility of this message board.

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catseye, do you plan on ever answering my questions? I don't get it.
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No TerryB, it seems catseye really believes that the Hardens' copying of that 3 part cipher Zodiac sent to the papers contains the "correct" symbols. I went to her twitter page and saw she has been posting the same idea there. I just wish she would explain WHY she thinks this, but I guess she isn't going to.
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Despite what catseye claims, the 340 cipher contains and uses ALL 26 letters of the alphabet, the three part also contains most if not all of them, even if they were used forward or backwards.

catseye likes to go on as though she knows more than anybody else, it's very sad, I'm not saying that she hasn't from time to time made some pertinent observations but as you know you'd have to read through a mountain of gobbledygook nonsense. She full of crap once again, the woman has serious problems between her ears or she simply is out to make everyone that is on this board look as though they're a bunch of crackpots. I think that's been her goal all along, suck up to Dennis and Nanette and post lots of garbage.

And by the way; the 340 cipher HAS NOT yet been solved, yes there are lots of JT clues, the the message "there in" the cipher HAS NOT been decoded. Like most "REAL" ciphers it's a transposition cipher.

Her condescending behavior is and has been too much.

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sixtieschick

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Nanette, with all due respect, that is not what catseye is saying. She IS saying that the copy the Hardens made of the 3 part cipher is more correct or genuine than the 3 part cipher Zodiac Jack sent to the newspapers. She has used the Hardens's rendition of Zodiac Jack's cipher symbols to rewrite the symbols Zodiac Jack created in the 340 cipher. How can a second-hand copy of symbols be more reliable than the original? I don't see how it can be.

In this thread and the other one she started on this subject, she states that she has used the Hardens's symbols to rewrite the 340, since she knows how the 340 was "meant" to be written. As a document examiner, would you say that a hand written copy I made of a letter written by JFK was more correct or reliable than the JFK letter itself, or more accurately portrayed JFK's handwriting?

Here are some of her tweets that show she IS saying the Hardens got the symbols right, while Zodiac Jack did not.


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707catseye: I'm still working on final decoding of Zodiac Killer Tarrance ciphers w/ Hardens right symbols http://www.jacktarrance.net/id26.html 03/25/2011 retweet

707catseye: JW Tarrance JR Right ZODIAC KILLER 3-Pt CIPHER SYMBOLS (3rd Pt) Thx Hardens! U can't decode w/out right 1's! http://pbckt.com/px.dxgSrO 15 days ago retweet

707catseye: If u think you've used right Zodiac Killer symbols to decode, you haven't. Hardens versions & more http://www.jacktarrance.net/id26.html 13 days ago retweet

707catseye: All of the accurate Zodiac Killer symbols drawn by Hardens! http://www.jacktarrance.net/id26.html It makes all the difference! 03/06/2011 retweet

707catseye: Jack Tarrance was the master cipher creator. See Harden's right Zodiac Killer symbols http://www.jacktarrance.net/id26.html

707catseye: I'm still working on final decoding of Zodiac Killer Tarrance ciphers w/ Hardens right symbols http://www.jacktarrance.net/id26.html 03/25/2011 retweet

TerryB

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The Harden's used a simple letter substitution approach to decode the 3-part cipher, additionally they surmised that certain keywords would be found as well as using a statistical approach, in other words they figured that the letter "e" would be in the message the most often, that approach worked.

The observation I'd make about the whole thing is that apparently LE made little to no effort to decode the thing but in all fairness; the Harden's could have just beat them to it.

If you do research on encryption you'll find that most methods are trans-positional substitution , they require keywords or numbers to decode, also the messages aren't always written left to right.

Ciphers have been used in military operations for centuries now and they're sophisticated.

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sixtieschick

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The issue is not the SOLUTION the Hardens arrived at, the whole "I like killing because it is so much fun" deal. The issue is that catseye is saying the symbols the Hardens made when they copied the Zodiac/jack cipher in order to work on solving it are the correct symbols to use when trying to decipher the Zodiac/Jack ciphers.

Here is a recent tweet she made a while ago
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707Catseye Harriette Sucher
Tarrance MILKY WAY GALACTIC CENTER not Zodiac. 6/26/70 Zodiac Killer RIGHT letter cipher symbols. THX Harden's! http://pbckt.com/px.d1LygG
14 hours ago



Let's say I draw a picture of a house. Then you take a pencil, pen, or whatever and make a copy of my picture of the house, trying to copy it as best you can. Which drawing is the best representation of what I drew? Mine of course, yours is only an imitation, an attempt to copy what I drew. Now apply that to the 3 part cipher Zodiac/Jack created. Whose version is a more accurate representation of the symbols Zodiac/Jack created, Zodiac/Jack's or the Hardens's? Zodiac/Jack's of course, the Hardens's is only an imitation or copy. Catseye is saying the Hardens's version is the genuine one. That makes no sense to me, and she has not bothered to explain her reasoning for her claim.

and now she is remaking another cipher based on Hadrens's symbols?

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707Catseye Harriette Sucher
Just finished recreating 6/26/70 Zodiac Killer letter page cipher. Not a cross/circle on page, it leans. See what I mean in a few minutes.
15 hours ago

707Catseye Harriette Sucher
Working on another Zodiac Killer cipher. There is a town in 6/26/70 letter page but symbols need to be recreated w/ Hardens 1s....brb.....
16 hours ago


Why won't she explain her reasoning to us?
TerryB

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sixtieschick, catseye isn't trying to be reasonable, she's trying to make it look as though she knows something everybody else can't figure out or understand. It's all part of her ploy. It's once again...more of her nonsense that's designed to make us all look like crackpots, if that isn't her intention it certainly is her effect, however I think she does it intentionally.
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Not responding to this site, the posts, so, in other words I haven't read anyone's replies here. These symbols I depicted here are real, have to do with the Phillips 66 MAP plus the code....which is all of the cipher symbols from 1968 to 1971 INCLUDING DONNA LASS CIPHER. There is a reason why Tarrance aka Zodiac Killer left off in the THREE Parts cipher with the last row containing only 1 symbol. It links to the 340, then that one, using the right symbols like Harden's accurately depicted, 340 links to MY NAME IS cipher which does have a modern Latin alphabet and is the only ZK cipher to contain an alphabet. The My Name Is then links to 6/26/70 and in-turn that one links to the Donna Lass Cipher. I am hard at work, in spare time, connecting these ciphers. They do lead to a precise area. I'll post sporadically here and I will only respond, if I do, to Nanette or Dennis or someone who proven to be who they are. Other than that, you will go on ignored.
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Catseye, does the "MY NAME IS" cipher actually say Jack's name???
TerryB

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This is exactly what I mean about her, the same old bullshit she's done all along.
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sixtieschick

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Ashlee, don't expect an answer from Catseye in this lifetime. She will not deign to grace us with her pearls of wisdom, because we are not Dennis or Nanette. LOL More likely, she won't answer our questions because doing so would expose how flawed her thinking is. She thinks the Hardens' copy of the 3 part cipher symbols is more accurate than the Zodiac's own AND is using the cipher from the Lass Reward Poster. That cipher was not written by Zodiac/Jack; it was created by the Lass Family (or whoever they had create the poster). How can using copies of the 3 part cipher symbols and a cipher from a reward poster Zodiac/Jack could not have created lead to any conclusions that will help prove Jack is the Zodiac? She is making absolutely no sense.

TerryB, I do not think Catseye is trying to make Dennis or this site/board look bad; I think she actually believes everything she says.
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sixtieschick, catseye has posted lot's and lot's of pure nonsense, the effect it has is same whether she buys her own BS or not. I do think that occasionally she's made some sort of cross connections that can be thought provoking about some subjects but unfortunately it's buried amongst lots of rambling nonsense. Add to that the condescending attitude she cops when questioned about things, she then "talks down" to everybody other than Dennis and Nanette in response.

I've tried to read her posts but they're painful to read, she's like a person that talks incessantly and you can't find the off switch. I doubt that she proof reads her own postings.

I also am apprehensive about the footer she's now added to her posts, she's setting some people up for a big let down. Obviously there are powers that seek to invalidate the Zodiac/Jack case despite what I believe to be some tremendous evidence supporting it, I'll bet that if you sampled several ISP's you'd find that they've filtered out the Kaufman links and listed opposing sites, I bet they don't filter out catseye's sites though! When I say ISP's I'm lumping them in with several popular search engines as well.

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