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catseye

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See the Harden's symbols, compare to what little was printed in Vallejo and then check online for the Navajo Constellations, Greek Constellation ID factors, Shoshone Equinox & Solstice shadows...and more. Science trumps all who try to make their Zodiac suspect fit: Forensics, Paleantology, Archeaology, Astronomy & more. It is only Jack who's ZK. You can see the shading Hardens did, the slightly visible details in their cipher symbols. These were NOT in SF Chronicle and future publications. BTW the Chronicle helped US win the west by inflaming stories against Indians 1800s on into 20th C. During Zodiac height, they were occupying Alcatraz & a Seattle Fort.

Only Jack Tarrance, who respected Native Americans, married at least one with roots that go back to the brilliant Anasazi is Black Dahlia Avenger, Zodiac Killer and unfortunately for others killed he's probably in more US cases. But it depends on who's laws though what he really was. Was he an Avenging Warrior or murderous killer? I wrestle with this issue everyday now but we got a government that doesn't deal with Native American issues in any way shape or form. They are still suffering in impoverished reservations and are currently mad as all hell in Oklahoma where billions of Indian gaming revenue meant to improve the Reservations there are missing while they go without water, electricity as done so for decades. Gee....isn't that where CY, who bashes Kaufman, lives and cleans carpets?

I'm glad I didn't listen to that detective (nameless for now) who told me not to release my cipher & clues finds until after mid-July. I reveal them 7/9/11 at http://www.707Catseye.net & a week later shown work done for months at http://www.jacktarrance.net I wasn't aware of media to do publicity on Hodel and other "Zodiac" suspects. Twitter knocked ya all off the media playing board and the truth about Jack is hard to deny, now.

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Not really here to respond, just letting the 17 or so with their many internet aliases still stuck in a 20th C. Voigt Zodiac Killer MB with hopes that they will sell their Zodiac suspect after all, that I can bypass them just by using a Social Media 1 post publicity. Twitter alone is trumping Google, Facebook, MySpace and many others. You can bury this 20th C dead MB but can't drown the facts about Jack being Zodiac anymore. SO, bringing this thread to the top....and Nanette I hope Walsh does respond, too>
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Edited as requested
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In all fairness, catseye is the only one posting theories based on faulty evidence (The Lass Reward Poster, the Hardens's copying of the symbols in the three-part cipher,the BY KASE thing), so the "attacks" are not personal, they are based on people questioning the very foundation on which she builds her theories and makes her claims. If I made a handwritten copy of the symbols on the Rosetta Stone and Joe Blow used my copy to arrive at the "correct" deciphering the of Stone, instead of relying on the actual symbols on the Stone, people would criticize Joe's solution too.

Also, catseye is the one who starts the personal attacks by calling anyone who questions anything she says or wants a better explanation a troll or accusing them of being other people/enemies.

I really do not understand why her behavior is allowed to continue without reprimand. Maybe the best thing the rest of us can do is to just ignore her and her posts and focus on other aspects of the board, since she appears to be allowed to insult and demean with impunity.
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Thanks sixtieschick, I agree with what you just said.
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Nanette, I saw what Timeline posted about you and catseye and I figure you're still a little sore from it and I can understand why.

You've admitted that you haven't read catseye's postings, sixtieschick and I HAVE and as they occur, so don't cop an attitude "out of context" since you haven't followed the postings as they occur.

She played this little na-na-na-boo-boo game regarding the Hardens Right symbols on us and it pissed us off. Then she somewhat clarified her point only recently after hurling insults and name calling.

It's her conclusions that I question, her finding the link to Native American symbols has merit.

I haven't been offering as much to the case because I get fed up with the personal crap, catseye has chased a lot of people away from this board with her ill manners. Let's see now....there's three of us left, I don't count you Nanette because you've admitted that you don't read her posts and catseye doesn't respond to anyone except you and Dennis, so maybe I should say two of us left now.

What is politeness a one way street with you two?

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NanetteB Avatar / Picture Registered: 08/10/09 Posts: 1,333                 Yesterday at 08:41 PM                 #8 Problem here sixtieschick, and why none of you including TerryB gets it, is that no one is willing to refute catseyes findings with their own research. If you want to refute what she says, don't do it by name calling, do it by digging up the research that proves she is wrong. Like I told Dennis, I am not about to do the research necessary to figure out one way or another if what she is saying is true, so how can I call out anyone on their theory. Plain and simple, I CAN'T.... She pegged TerryB and Timeline on the nose if you ask me, and the proof was in the pudding with Timeline (ooops TV) today, she knows instinctively who they are once they open their mouths. TerryB is identical to castseye in that whenever I approach them about being cordial, they hop and dance right around the point and never give any answers. IMO, TerryB is hanging on by a thread, and not offering anything towards the JT/Z case to begin with. Catseye atleast, is offering new theories every day, and the bottom line is that no one, not me, not you, not Dennis, and certainly not catseye will ever be able to say with certainty why JT did what he did. BUT, CATSEYE IS STILL OFFERING SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY WHILE EVERYONE ELSE SITS WITH THEIR THUMBS UP YOU KNOW WHERE TALKING ABOUT HER INSTEAD OF JT. Well, I think that is a fine "how do you do" coming from all of those who claim to support Dennis. I am going to go sort through more of JT's stuff and maybe start looking at his floppy disks. You all take care, and I hope that you really mean what you said sixtieschick about ignoring something that disinterests both you and TerryB. Because that is really what you guys should be doing, focus on the things that matter.... __________________



I believe I have refuted catseye's current claims about Jack killing to avenge Native Americans. She has not offered any solid proof that Nora or Jack had Native American blood. She is using symbols Jack didn't even write to conclude he included Native American symbols in his ciphers. Since Jack didn't even know Nora in the 1940's, how could killing Elizabeth Short be an act of revenge against the way Native Americans were treated?

You yourself have said that you really don't read her posts. Well I do and I see a lot of problems with them. I thought the purpose of a message board was to express ideas or theories and then have others examine and discuss these things. Healthy debate is usually a good thing. Catseye posts ideas, and then will not even answer anyone's questions, or more fully explain herself. People start off nice with her, but when she "responds" to questions by ignoring them and instead calling other people trolls and such, it's understandable that people get annoyed. Do you like it when people call you names and accuse you of things that aren't true? Her behavior is just plain wrong. I know she is your friend, so that puts you in an awkward position, but I am simply calling it as I see it. Whether you agree with me on this doesn't really matter in the long run. I'm just letting you know what I think.

You point out that at least catseye is working on things and trying to help Dennis while the rest of us sit with our thumbs up our fannies. Frankly, I think her behavior and most of the theories and conclusions she has posted over the years have actually hurt Dennis. If I had to choose between having my thumb up my fanny and coming up with theories like catseye's, I'd choose the thumb, but that's just me I guess. I am not writing this to get you to agree with me, nor am I writing it out of anger. I am just expressing my views, with no insults toward you or Dennis intended. I do want what's best for this board and to see Dennis finally vindicated. I just needed to get some things off my chest.
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Catseye, I have one question for you. Could you explain to me exactly how killing people in a Lover's Lane scenario does anything to help Native Americans? I think that's where your theory loses me.

Serial killer? Check.
Serial killer who kills in order to support Native Americans? Sure, I can see that.
Serial killer who kills unrelated, innocent individuals in order to support Native Americans? No, that does not logically follow.

If Jack was killing, say, Bureau of Indian Affairs employees or similar, I would have an easier time getting on board with this. If someone is avenging another person, they go after those who perpetrated the crime. Unless you're going with a definition of "all non-Natives are guilty, because we profited from the mistreatment of Natives" as your definition of guilt, it does not logically follow.

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Johnny K....I think you and I are on the same page.

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As the TV detective Joe Friday used to say; "just the facts ma-am, just the facts", unfortunately catseye doesn't do that.

I think that what's behind her latest theme is that she is claiming that the newspapers altered the way the cipher symbols appeared and masking the fact that some of the symbols resemble some Native American syllabary.

I don't have it in my scope to prove any of that but I do acknowledge the resemblance in some of the related documents, however; many people involved in the art of encrypted messages have used many different types of symbols.

If you go back over her recent posts I think that you'll see that this part of her latest theme is valid, the conclusions she makes IMHO are not valid, too many leaps in logic, however; maybe there is some validity to some of her suspicions.

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This I believe is my last post here. Harden family was with the Occupation of Alcatraz. Both San Francisco Examiner & SF Chronicle knew about plans many Native American leaders had for Alcatraz. Local politicians and businessmenm knew, too. Belli knew Indian/US law, SF Chronicle cub reporter Findley knew and threw a Halloween Party 10/69....it's all online when you look up the right names. Members of my family & their friends took part of Occupation Alcatraz which was about saving lives, lands, heritage, culture. Much of it was also about, despite they being here first, sharing in the American Dream of rights to jobs and more that included making it o.k. to say you are part if not full Indian blood. The latter was something that media, government mistreatment, for centuries had helped create a misnomer that Native American people were nothing but brainless, heartless, bloodthirsty savages who couldn't be tamed and must be conquered and done away with.

If you think Civil Rights applied to the Indians who were here first, think again as those rights laws were based on what US Govt did by bringing slaves here to lands already run of people with their own laws and various types of nations for millennias. Those first americans had USA & laws built on top of them. 5600+ people, including celebrities can't all be team Zodiac. They all had and still do have FBI files on them. Since symbols appear to be mostly Indian related and Jack wrote the letters, this includes FBI files on him and anyone he associated with him. Dennis Kaufman has been led by the nose all along. Not a single one of them was a murderer but they did fight for what they believed in. It's a shame that maybe 100s of people know the truth about the real Zodiac Killer but many people wish to keep burying it. He was not, NOT a serial killer nor a murderer. IT DEPENDS ON THE LAW and reasons why someone died. The Indians here first knew & know the laws, Belli knew this and so does the FBI & Congress who helped shaped US Govt laws along with Indian tribal laws (some around 100s of years). My family attorney was William Bernstein and he was in the Belli group, so, I do know something about this side of Belli!

This enigma of a madman serial killer was dreamed up by people associating with Hollywood. It will be a cold day in hell when FBI or LE says Jack Tarrance was responsible for murder but they may at some point say he was responsible for some deaths. Meanwhile all of you can continue to chase the dream of a madman serial killer while those of us who had family & friends involved with saving lives during the 3 THREE Indian Occupations of Alcatraz will be going on the trail of cipher symbols from California to New Mexico. Dennis and Nanette: you and all who read this MB esp those who took part in the Indian Occupations of Alcatraz (I heard you are checking this MB) are more than welcome to come with a group of us documenting the symbols in 2012, what they mean to the Indians that Jack so did respect. Dennis, you don't know that you were making history by just being a kid born to an Indian by law woman and going to public school as the newspapers, who covered stories on Civil Rights Movement, refused to cover what it was like to be born Indian under America. Many rights that you take for granted today couldn't have happened for you, Dennis, without what Red Power, American Indian Movement and Indians of All Tribes and all their supporters, did 1960s to early 1970s. Until the FBI/LE and/or Congress officially declare the Zodiac cases closed, there will always be a Zodiac Killer case overseer as the FBI has been the big brother watching over the Indians in any way shape or form because USA took over their lands. It is a matter of National Security to do what they believe is right, under the law, to protect the sanctity of this country. The are the big brother who still watches over who took part of Indian Occupation of Alcatraz and the other occupied lands like Rattlesnake Island Clearlake, the 1970 Seattle Fort where combat broke out. This Big Brother activity includes even kids like me who played and ate with kids of proud to state they were Indian blood parents that took part in Indian Occupation Alcatraz 1969-1971. Who knew that sharing peanut butter & jelly sandwiches with Indian kids made me an enemy of the state? That's how bad it really was, Dennis & Nanette. Jack and people like him were fighting to change this. Good luck Dennis but I tell you the truth that Jack was not a murderer nor a serial killer and you are chasing a nightmare enflamed by Hollywood like it's done to people of Native American bloodlines for decades. Godspeed everyone!

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This is what I've been saying about catseye, she likes to distort everything here, she chases people away from this MB, the result is to damage credibility, today she showed her true colors.
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Nanette, get real, go check out her sites, she goes off the deep end about Fabian, she's comes off as completely crazy, this is what I've been politely telling you for months now. It's NOT credible the way she makes all of her wild claims. The latest kick she's been on about the Indians is bazaar, claiming that Jack Tarrance wasn't a serial killer just an avenger, bullshit, pure bullshit.
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Well, that I understand, she needs editing before posting, as I have acknowledged; she makes connections others might not but that's no reason to leap to huge conclusions and for her to go on and on the way she does. Maybe were finally getting on the same page with each other about her.
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